https://reddthat.com/comment/2027398

Comments are removed here on hexbear because our mods are awesome and banned that chud but if you want to see his bullshit its over there. He goes on to say that nonbinary identities are incompatible with gender abolition and shit.

          • ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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            1 year ago

            Have you seen insulin production plants or microchip production plants that will just let somebody do something dangerous to themselves or the production process contrary to what the person in charge demands? Could a non-employee just walk into a clean room past security?

            When things get big enough you start to need both kinds of authority.

              • ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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                1 year ago

                I’ll note places like the soviet union had much more horizontalism in authority than the “central authority” notion. This is one of the reasons cybernetics weren’t adopted well, because the person developing computing for planned economies had a view of the Soviet planning structure as more of a pyramid of heirarchy than it was.

                Taking this from another angle, there are limited resources in the middle of the revolution. In the time it would take to get nazis to recognize your mandate/expertise without the threat of force/use of force will they have done more damage than what would have been done to them by appealing to the authority of “we have more power than you, do what we say”?

                What amount of “obey me because you have to” is reasonable when dealing with ardent fascists?

                  • ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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                    1 year ago

                    but if I recall correctly, didn’t the USSR had to do massive purges because a nazi wing of government that wanted to overthrow everything was forming and getting into crucial positions of power though?

                    There was the initial purge of government and then there was the purge of the military a little bit before ww2. The thing is, the purges worked to prevent reactionary elements for a while, and then 1/6 of all Soviets died defeating fascism and you lost basically two generations of the most ardent communists and the government got taken over by reformists. I don’t think a decentralized system would have worked better, using the Spanish Civil War as an example.

                    as for the question I’m not really sure, I don’t think any amount is going to make the fascists “bend the knee”, I honestly think it’d be better to just exile them

                    I mean exile is basically the death penalty. I dont see how you can oppose forcing them to do things for their own good and support just killing them.

                    i think people less extremely against the new systems should for the most part be more open to collaborate if they find out they have an actual, tangible and real say in things, forcing may have the opposite effect

                    There were soviet forced labor camps whos entire purpose was to demonstrate to reactionaries the new, collaborative way of working. They were paid a good wage and not alienated from their labor like under capitalism, and they could go into town, visit family, etc so long as they kept showing up and doing what needed to be done. The entire point was to forcefully show them the advantages to them of the changes in society.