- Elon Musk’s Twitter acquisition ended up being the worst financing deal for banks since 2008, the WSJ said.
- The $13 billion in loans Musk took out have been stuck on banks’ balance sheets.
- The loans have cut into pay for bankers and lenders’ ability to finance other deals, the Journal reported.
What about the 2008 crisis was bad for banks? They made hundreds of billions of dollars for a decade, selling literally nothing, gave themselves huge bonuses and golden parachutes, and then got government bailouts. Within 7 years they were back at it, doing the exact same thing. It was a crisis for you and me, it was a consequence-free piggy bank for the banks.
Should he buy oil companies now? O Yes, definately O No, too late
Oh won’t someone think of the banks /s
Don’t worry, it’s not their money they’re playing with!
Really, thanks to the superpower they have of using money that doesn’t even exist (Think you could make money if you could make money out of thin air?) it almost isn’t anyone’s money.
Except when the bill comes due, then it’s the taxpayer’s money. The middle class didn’t need that money anyway.
I wonder what part of the deal is causing a loss? A loan under no normal circumstances can lose money. They gave Musk $13B that he had to pay back with interest. As collateral he had to put up Tesla stock. How can that lose money?
twitter is losing revenue and cant pay the principle on the loan. nobody will buy this debt from the banks that issued the loan because twitter is a sinking ship. the great majority of elon’s wealth is tied up in tesla stock, so if he sells any the value of the rest of what he holds goes down because the sale effects the stock price… basically nobody is solvent enough to repay the loans, so the banks that issued the loans are stuck with them instead of selling that debt to get it off their books fast.
If Musk has to sell Tesla stock to pay back the loan, what does the bank care? There is something not being reported about the loan terms that they could lose money.
the bank doesn’t care, but musk does. cashing out some tesla stock to pay the twitter loans hits him twice so he wont do it except out of desperation.
Again why does the bank care? The article claims the bank gets interest and has Tesla shares as collateral. If Musk doesn’t pay they take the shares. So how are they losing?
Boo hoo either Elon loses or the bank. Anyways.
I was hoping for some details to explain the mystery.
I’m curious too my popcorn is ready. I’m cheering for the “both can f themselves” side.
The bank cares because
- he can’t sell $13B in stock without crashing the value - he can’t pay it off fast
- someone with that much ownership has serious restrictions on how they can sell. Again, limiting ability to pay off loans
- banks generally don’t keep loans, they originate and sell. But no one will buy with those restrictions
It was 2 years ago. Interest payments are continuous, not sudden. If he owed money he would sell a little every month to pay the loan. Yes it would lower the price. The bank doesn’t care, they are being paid.
Yes large ownership sales are filed quarterly. It’s not a surprise loan. The payments are due monthly.
Boohoo 😢 /s
Idk, you buy a brand and one of the largest social networks everywhere, then you perform some genius business moves:
- “Cut waste”, fire the bulk of your talent and hamper the capacity of your network.
- Break embedding for a while to disable reply visibility on the public web
- Ask developers and operators “how many lines of code they contributed” and to print it out
- You completely remove the iconic branding of your network, and do a botched job of redirecting.
- You reinstate trolls and right wing misinformation.
- You cheapen the verified label.
- You launch a streaming platform on the hampered infrastructure.
How is any of this supposed to be moves that any lender could expect a return from?
How could you forget publicly telling advertisers to “go fuck yourself”?
That’s a galaxy brain business move, too genius for the genius list.
I’m embarrassed to admit but I brought into the Musk hype early on. You know Tesla and SpaceX.
But the second he started talking about programming (something I know a lot about) I realized he doesn’t have a clue.
He’s good at talking and getting smart people to do the actual work. In fact he’s not even great at talking anymore.
Makes me wonder how good he is at rocket business. And makes me wonder how good Boeing aerospace is if they make Elon look like a genius.
He ‘s sufficiently geeky to speak the language, to invest in things beyond the next quarter and be willing to take a risk in things not yet proven to be profitable. Those are good things for a ceo.
Maybe I give him too much credit (like I used to with Trump), but in the beginnings mining I assumed he was forced into twitter after running his mouth off into what could be securities fraud if he didn’t follow through. . And he’s so lost. So badly lost
Meanwhile Tesla needs attention and direction but losing its focus on cars is not the way. He really should have spawned off another company so the robotics stuff could sink or swim without impacting his successes
“CEO is smart because he tried to look for profit in multiple quarters at the same time” would make a great headline at Forbes
Electric vehicles and space exploration are two things that need to happen for humanity’s long term survival. It isn’t gullibility to applaud someone for moving either thing forward, even if they’re just the money guy. We live in a capitalist society, that is just what was going to happen short of another FDR or JFK restoring trust in American government.
It’s ignoring the evidence afterwards that is the problem, and you didn’t, so there’s nothing to be ashamed of.
Thank you, that’s very kind.
