Hi to anyone who reads this.
More and more instances are defederating with Lemmy.world recently over their questionable moderating and views. These politics should be kept out of music and music enjoyment / discussion and I want as many people to be able to both see and discover the music that is being posted here. This community is going to be stunted from growing and have less eyes on it in /all by staying on .world.
As such I have created a community over at -
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/c/dubstep
I’m going to continue posting two releases a day, as I have done here for over a year, just over there now where hopefully a better community can slowly be built and be seen by everyone who wants to.
Please come and join me over there, subscribe if you are just a lurker who enjoys the music I post. Hopefully one day there will be enough of us to have some better discussions but until then I will keep posting!
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More and more instances are defederating with Lemmy.world recently
Links? I’d like to read about that.
I don’t have any links to hand, it was triggered by a post I saw on all yesterday, it may have been from a smaller instance as I didn’t note the instance at the time of reading but I will have a proper look for a link for you later as I’ve just started work.
I’ve also been considering moving the community for a while whilst I’m still the only main poster so as to try and dilute communities and make Lemmy in general less centralised due to how many communities are hosted by .world. The longer I waited to do this the harder it may be to rebuild but as it is mostly still me posting hopefully the people who lurk will be happy to subscribe to the new community and in time hopefully it can grow into a more active place with my contributors.
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Reading this thread you linked, all the comments are from lemmy.ml, lemmy grad and hexbear. The three most toxic Lemmy’s in the entire fediverse. One comment said Lemmy.world is “too far right”. Give me a fucking break. I’m no fan of lemmy.world, but you can safely ignore anything said by these idiots.
Yes upon reviewing that post again today it isn’t the best examples of the fediverse, I think I must have seen it when it was initially posted so there weren’t any replies.
However that thread alone wasn’t my sole basis for the decision, I’m not the biggest fan of Lemmy.world either as well as the points I mentioned before, however that thread was kind of a tipping point where I said to myself “is Lemmy.worlds divisiveness negatively impacting the amount of eyes that could be turned in this direction”
Ultimately I don’t care to get into shit slinging or politics between instances, I just want the maximum possible traffic for what is already a very niche community / music genre in the hopes of fostering some kind of discourse between people on the music that we have in common.
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Chiming in, personally just spreading the communities on other instances than LW is a good enough reason.
Instances like Aussie.zone are having issues with federation because LW is too large: https://sopuli.xyz/post/14394921/10406999
We have had the same issues on my main (dbzer0) which is part of what prompted me to try and fragment some of .worlds. Also like many I am a previous reddit user who left during the exodous of June 23 so centralisation of too many communities makes me nervous xD
It was only a matter of time, TBH.
My interactions with the admins were not that great and they are super quirky about taboo communities. My experience was trying to get them to publish specific rules regarding drugs and such. (I am a huge advocate of psychidelics. Not only are they fun, but the medicinal value of them is absolutely amazing.)
At the time, they basically said “no illegal things”. Ok, cool. I am in a legal state and can make my own psychidelics legally. Obviously, laws are different around the world, so some guidelines needed to be made for the communities to follow regarding this kind of thing. There are legal ways to share information, regardless of the subject.
I am not here to argue about what they choose to allow on their instance. What my beef was, is how they basically ignored such a broad topic and just left the rules “fuzzy”.
They basically nuked the biggest shrooms community on Lemmy and fucked off. So, here I am on .ca and have been loving it since.
- psychedelics
Anyways I’d be interested in better examples than lemmy.world admins not giving access to a substance (ab)use forum. Even if they banned an alcohol related sub I wouldn’t be that concerned
You missed the point, unfortunately. No offense, but I personally don’t care what your preferences are about specific topics: It’s just not relevant, and I’ll explain.
There are many things that may or may not be illegal where you are at, where the admins are at or even where the instance is located. There are ways to write simple rules that can meet a majority of any communities needs and my point is that the admins would not publish specific rules other than blanketing their decisions on catch-all instance rules.
While admin perogative is cool, letting a community build and flourish only to be squashed without justification or guidance for continuing is just bad practice. Building and maintaining a community takes work and time and for admins to ignore the requests of moderators just makes for unpleasant experience.
You missed the point, unfortunately. No offense, but I personally don’t care what your preferences are about specific topics: It’s just not relevant, and I’ll explain.
This isn’t about my preferences, it’s about “opinions of the admins of an instance that I can tolerate”. And if they draw the line at substance (ab)use, in a defederated world, that’s okay with me. If I see a rightwing republican nazi dipshit influx (just as an example) being tolerated, that’d not be okay with me, and I’d also leave.
It’s their server, and people are free to move elsewhere. Now if this was a quasi monopolist centralized platform, I would tend to agree with you that it needs to be controlled more strictly what requires blocking / censorship and what does not.
Well, you mostly reiterated what I have been saying.
It’s their server, and that is OK! I moved to a different instance already which is also good since I don’t really have any part in their communities any more. That is just healthy for everyone. (These cross-instance conversations are an exception.)
Blocking and censorship is not what I prefer, but if the admins want to block people with red hair (as an example) they can. It’s their perogative.
I mean this in a kind-hearted way: Users and moderators can be treated a bit like children. If instance rules and guidelines are consistent and applied equally across all communities, then that creates a healthy environment for all communities to prosper. Lack of consistency creates uncertainty which is painful and limits development. (“Development”, in this case, means Lemmy in its entirety.)
In summary: If the admins want to block or limit activity, that is fine. The admins should adjust the guidelines accordingly and make that public information. If they choose not to do that, users and communities should move to other instances.
While I don’t know why this specific community is moving to another instance but I can speculate about the reasons why.
Well done, good luck for your move! As a suggestion, you can try locking the current community so that people will be pushed to move to the new one.
I did consider this but despite the fact that 99% of content here was posted by me I’m still not the sole moderator and I didn’t create this place initially so I went with the choice of pinning this in the hopes it is the first thing people see and it will redirect them.
Even though none of the other moderators are active in any sense of the word I also didn’t want to over step in that regard and lay waste to this one.
I may still do so regardless but these were just my initial thoughts on the matter.
Thanks. Subbing there and unsubbing here.
