It’s kinda nice we can take credit for other people’s stuff. As long as we’re doing our part.
If nobody put out fires, we’d elect new officials to fix fire departments n stuff. We don’t need to know how to drive a firetruck or use a Halligan to pry open a door, just pay our taxes. So if a new firefighting technique is developed even though you or I only clock in at our offices and never think about firefighting, we’re still part of society and we can socialize the win a bit.
And if we figure out how to improve CPU speeds, firefighters can say “WE figured out how to get computers to boot in <1 second” even though they just did their own jobs. (Or at least “we know how to …” b/c they can pay someone or buy something that accomplishes the task, even if they don’t know the inner workings.)
But we needed them to feel safe and maybe not die. They couldn’t do it all and neither could we. Collective win.
:)
There are problems with this view so lemme have it!
I would say its better to take credit for what you have done, rather than collectivize everything. If a politician happened to win an election and start a war in Iraq for example- do you say “we invaded Iraq and killed innocent civilians”? Should you be held responsible for that? If you’re a nurse and you save the life of someone who goes on to murder 10 people- did “we murder 10 people”? No. I believe you are only responsible for what you directly did.
I do say we invaded Iraq as an American, unfortunately, and we committed genocide against American Indians… maybe I should say our government did that… but kinda wanna own up to what elected officials did.
As far as murder goes, I’d rather not collectivize that. Any big problem with humanity sharing in the good humanity does?
I do say we invaded Iraq as an American, unfortunately, and we committed genocide against American Indians…
I did not. If you believe you did, then you should be punished for it. And terrorist acts against you would be more defensible.
maybe I should say our government did that… but kinda wanna own up to what elected officials did.
Why? You’re not responsible for their actions, you are oppressed by them too.
As far as murder goes, I’d rather not collectivize that. Any big problem with humanity sharing in the good humanity does?
Well why’s it different?
I’m not a particularly accomplished person, but to the extent I have “accomplished” anything, it has been built on the backs of many giants, but also hindered by many others- who honestly, don’t deserve credit for it. And I deserve no credit for what others have done even if what I have done has aided them in it- I deserve credit only for what I have done, and the parts I specifically have contributed.
Yes “we” because you know millions of people were collectively exploited for the labor, development, knowledge, and skills used to arrive where we are.
We?
Okay so who’s the one person responsible for going from scratch to wifi?
…primitive technology in a couple more seasons, at the rate he’s going…
That guy, Hugh Mann.
Now that’s a name I can trust!
Agreed, I really don’t like language that collectiveses people who really are individuals.
It’s kinda nice we can take credit for other people’s stuff. As long as we’re doing our part.
If nobody put out fires, we’d elect new officials to fix fire departments n stuff. We don’t need to know how to drive a firetruck or use a Halligan to pry open a door, just pay our taxes. So if a new firefighting technique is developed even though you or I only clock in at our offices and never think about firefighting, we’re still part of society and we can socialize the win a bit.
And if we figure out how to improve CPU speeds, firefighters can say “WE figured out how to get computers to boot in <1 second” even though they just did their own jobs. (Or at least “we know how to …” b/c they can pay someone or buy something that accomplishes the task, even if they don’t know the inner workings.)
But we needed them to feel safe and maybe not die. They couldn’t do it all and neither could we. Collective win.
:)
There are problems with this view so lemme have it!
I would say its better to take credit for what you have done, rather than collectivize everything. If a politician happened to win an election and start a war in Iraq for example- do you say “we invaded Iraq and killed innocent civilians”? Should you be held responsible for that? If you’re a nurse and you save the life of someone who goes on to murder 10 people- did “we murder 10 people”? No. I believe you are only responsible for what you directly did.
I do say we invaded Iraq as an American, unfortunately, and we committed genocide against American Indians… maybe I should say our government did that… but kinda wanna own up to what elected officials did.
As far as murder goes, I’d rather not collectivize that. Any big problem with humanity sharing in the good humanity does?
I did not. If you believe you did, then you should be punished for it. And terrorist acts against you would be more defensible.
Why? You’re not responsible for their actions, you are oppressed by them too.
Well why’s it different?
I’m not a particularly accomplished person, but to the extent I have “accomplished” anything, it has been built on the backs of many giants, but also hindered by many others- who honestly, don’t deserve credit for it. And I deserve no credit for what others have done even if what I have done has aided them in it- I deserve credit only for what I have done, and the parts I specifically have contributed.
Not a fan of the royal ‘we’, then, I take it?
Definitely not
Yes “we” because you know millions of people were collectively exploited for the labor, development, knowledge, and skills used to arrive where we are.
No, they did, I did not.