Im considering buying a new phone and i don’t really consider a Pixel. I really like Fairphones approach, with the self repairable stuff. Even though they don‘t have a headphone jack. But well… I can’t change it. I’ll definitely go with the adapter over wireless headphones.

But to my question: What private OSes are there? Fairphone sells FP4s with eOS, how is that? And does it work on the FP5? GrapheneOS only works on Google Pixels right?

  • communism@lemmy.ml
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    4 months ago

    Where did I say it was all or nothing. I don’t think you’re reading anything me or the other person is saying

    • Ilandar
      31·
      4 months ago

      why avoid buying a more mainstream phone like a pixel if even fairphone can’t avoid slave labour?

      You acknowledged yourself that Fairphone is also environmentally superior to its competitors, such as Google, yet apparently this doesn’t matter to you when it comes time to purchase. Your logic seems to assume that because Fairphone is not perfect, it is therefore no better ethically than a company like Google. That is an all or nothing mentality.

      • communism@lemmy.ml
        1·
        4 months ago

        I didn’t say it didn’t matter.

        Other phones have advantages over Fairphone. Nobody buys a Fairphone because they think it has the most cutting-edge features. They buy it because they believe it’s more ethical. So any way in which Fairphone fails to be significantly more ethical than mainstream phones, is a reason to go for mainstream phones instead, as Fairphone loses its main advantage.

        You acknowledged yourself that Fairphone is also environmentally superior to its competitors, such as Google

        I didn’t say this. I said that believing Fairphone is more environmentally friendly is a reason why people go for Fairphone. For the record I do believe its emissions are lower but I don’t believe it to be environmentally friendly because I don’t think there’s any eco-friendly way to make modern smartphones, but that’s besides the point, I never commented either way on what I think of Fairphone’s environmental policies, only its labour policies.

        • Ilandar
          1·
          4 months ago

          The two big reasons why people go for fairphones is ethicality of the manufacturing process (labour and environmental impact) and modularity/fixability.

          Only one of these is undermined by your supposed slave labour argument (you’re yet to share any evidence that suggests Fairphone is worse than its competitors in this regard). Discounting the other reasons you listed because of this is an all or nothing mentality.

          any way in which Fairphone fails to be significantly more ethical than mainstream phones, is a reason to go for mainstream phones instead, as Fairphone loses its main advantage.

          You haven’t proven or argued this, though. You’ve only argued that Fairphone uses “slave labour” (again, no comparison here with competitors). That doesn’t mean that Fairphone loses ALL its ethical advantages.