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    Democrats are never going to codify Roe. Want to know how I know? Because on June 25th 2022 they controlled the presidency, the senate, and the house and Roe still isn’t codified. They’ll never say it out loud, but the democratic party is happy Roe was overturned because now they get to use it as a fundraising issue forever.

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      June 25th 2022

      Joe Manchin is a coal baron pretending to be a Democrat and Kristen Sinema was bought by corporate interests. So Republicans unofficially controlled the Senate. This same bullshit gets trotted out every election.

      The Senate is stacked against Democrats because it favors low population states. On top of that, there is a filibuster rule that makes most things take 60 votes to get passed. To get anything done, senators have to get rid of the filibuster for whatever they are trying to do, which requires a majority.

      Democrats would much rather run on having codifying Roe v Wade. But their party is controlled by and full of neo-liberals who cling to institutional norms to their own detriment. There is not a conspiracy, just minority rule baked into our democracy, and ineffectual and flawed neo-liberal ideology entrenched in the minds of Democrats. edit: typo

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        Manchin and Sinema are like schrodinger’s democrats. They’re not real democrats, but you better shut the fuck up and vote blue not matter who or some shit.

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          One has accepted numerous corporate donations and the other is only interested in protecting his coal business. They aren’t Democrats whether being observed or not. But they have been observed to be DINOs so it’s not a question, it’s a fact. An argument that is based on facts from an alternate reality is not convincing. Believing alternate facts is how a person can be stuck thinking conspiracy theories are real though.

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      Democrats are never going to codify Roe. Want to know how I know? Because on June 25th 2022 they controlled the presidency, the senate, and the house and Roe still isn’t codified.

      Firstly, the former is not a function of the latter. So it’s not so much “you know” as “making up a reason”.

      Secondly, passing a federal law is not like getting a Coke from the vending machine.

      Thirdly, this is a common strawman argument to pretend Democrats deliberately don’t care about liberal causes and it’s bullshit. A right-wing talking point. “Clinton had people murdered y’know.” Like that.

      Fourthly - yeah, what they said.

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        Secondly, passing a federal law is not like getting a Coke from the vending machine.

        No shit. Passing federal legislation is hard. But that’s literally their job and why we elected them. “The democratic party not doing what we elected them to do when they have a majority in both chambers and the presidency.” is not the winning argument you think it is.

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          The majority still doesn’t make it that simple. There are also conservative leaning dems making up that majority.

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          “No shit. Passing federal legislation is hard, why aren’t they doing a very specific thing I personally have determined is the top priority really quickly and perfectly” is not the winning argument you think it is.

          Hey, I got lots to bitch about with Democrats. Not being a shark-like machine to blitzkreig progressive legislation is one of them. But using a specific five-month window and one issue to complain that all of American Democracy is a joke and scam is utter bullshit. And also a favorite of the non-voting division-focus “left”.