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    There were supporters of a standing army at the time notably George Washington President of the national when the Bill of Rights was enacted.

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      Yes. True. Everything had at least half a dozen reasons for and against, that were all debated exhaustively.

      But this specific right, is the only one that actually describes a reason for its existence. And that reason no longer exists. That’s the important part.

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        6A) …to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

        I would argue that the militia still exists it’s just the government isn’t doing it’s duty to regulate the body of the people to be capable of common defense well. And to assume a right protected by the constitution could be outmoded by government inaction is self defeating logic.

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          Of course they are. It’s the whole military. More specificaly The National Guard. We have permanent professional soldiers who replaced the militia long ago.

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            The military and national guard aren’t militia, they are armies. A select militia is no militia at all. And professional soldiers can’t replace a militia as it is them who on rare occasion they are tasked with opposing.

            At the siege of Boston the Connecticut militia along with the Green Mountain Boys, and the men of Massachusetts showed up to oppose the British regulars. The regulars were professional soldiers. The rest the militia.

            Our professional army maybe our ally in liberty today but history has shown that may not always be the case.

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              The National Guard are the modern militia. Deployable by the Governor, not the President.

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                A select militia is no militia at all. It defeats to core purpose of a militia. And it isn’t deployable by the President. But it is by Congress (then under Exec leadership). Read the Federalist Papers/Antifederalists Papers. Throw Blackstone and Story in there too.

                To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions; -Article 1 Sec 8

                The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; - Article 2 Sec 2