• _stranger_@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    Now do militia.

    Any way you cut it, the point was to have an armed citizenry capable of defending the country, and the 2nd was plainly defined in that context, so it makes perfect sense that the minimum requirement for bearing arms is being able to do so effectively: so where’s the training? Where’s the free gun after you prove yourself capable enough to be part of the national defense?

    As it turns out, we have all that, it’s called the U.S. Military, an all volunteer force for the defence of the nation. (They don’t let you keep your gun anymore).

    Want to do it part time, on an on-call basis? National Guard.

    Id love it if we moved to the swiss model of mandatory training for everyone when they’re old enough, issuing them a firearm, and telling them to stay trained just in case, that would be awesome. Instead we have “buy it at Walmart, figure it out”, and zero part of that is run well.

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      4 months ago

      so where’s the training

      For civilians? Hunter safety, otherwise you’re paying for a private tutor.

      I’m all down for more training, so long as it’s free. We should not gatekeep civil liberties behind fees.

      Would you be okay with people having to pay $200 for a training class on how to vote before you were allowed to vote? Of course not. The same is true for the right to own a firearm.

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        4 months ago

        Funny because you do have to pay for documents like a birth certificate and ID in order to vote in some places. When I got my ID renewed years ago my original birth certificate from the '80s was somehow no longer valid so I had to buy a new one for $60 from some government records company.

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      Both the Federalist papers, the militia acts, and current government code confirm that everyone not part of the standing military or national guard as the militia. The militia doesn’t get free guns, they were expected to bring their own privately owned guns and ammunition when called upon. I would not mind free guns though.

      Training should be part of the public education system, but gun/hunters safety and shooting sports have been removed because it’s not kosher to expose kids/teens to guns. Due to the prevalence of guns in the US it just makes sense, because treating guns like abstinence only sex ed will have the same shitty results.

      The “buy it at Walmart and figure it out” is because you can’t lock rights behind hoops to jump through, so adopting a Swiss model and making fun education/training part of compulsory education is definitely a good minimum.

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        Almost removed. I was shocked to learn that the dude who just winged trump was not accepted to his school’s fucking rifle team for being a shit shot. I’ll repeat that because someone reading this may be old and remember it like I do, and as shocked as I was that that means his school had an active rifle team in like 2022. What the dick?! In my area those ended at columbine and I lived in The goddamn South. That was actually the wildest part of the whole thing to me!

        Still though I agree with you entirely, I just thought that was wild lol.