• Ookami38@sh.itjust.works
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    4 months ago

    This whole tangent began because you asked for someone to prove that weapons are tools. Dictionaries report common usage of terms, and a gun absolutely, 100% meets the criteria for the top definition for “tool”. I’m literally giving you the information you asked for. If you didn’t want a definition for tool, why would you ask for someone to prove that a gun is a tool, one of the necessary steps of which is to agree on a definition?

    Keep going off, though.

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            4 months ago

            Okay now we’re getting somewhere. What definition of tool do you propose we use, that includes claw peen hammers and other “obvious” tools, but excludes firearms?

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              4 months ago

              Noun, a device that aids in productive work.

              Now my turn to ask a question, which one of these images is not like the other

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                4 months ago

                So do you not consider hunting for food productive? What about sporting purposes?

                There’s a very real reason I’m digging in on this. You can’t just arbitrarily say a certain thing isn’t what it clearly is, because it suits your purposes. A gun is still a tool, even if it’s quite regularly misused. You lose nothing by classifying it as a tool, and by seeking to reclassify it as something else, you open the door to a host of legal fuckery.

                Further, we regulate tools all the time, so it’s not like saying it’s a tool means we can’t, or shouldn’t, regulate firearms. Just look at cars. Definitely tools, and regulated to high hell. It’s important to be specific, though, if we’re proposing to regulate things. If you’re not specific, you end up with dumb things like certain kinds of nail guns being regulated as firearms.

                I’m not some crazy gun nut. I think there should absolutely be some more regulations on guns. I think they should make sense, though, and to do that you have to define your terms rigidly.

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                  4 months ago

                  Now my turn to ask a question, which one of these images is not like the other

                  I will play the Jeopardy theme song while I wait. Dun dun dun du dun dun…dun du dun du

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                    4 months ago

                    Well, three of them are construction workers, and one is a kid misusing a tool, is what you want me to say. If you want an example of what I’m talking about, though - three are white, and one is black. Three are facing left, and one is facing right. Three have their arms up, and one had their arms down. All of those are valid answers to your question. This is why definitions, agreeing on them, and sticking to them, are important.

                    There, you got my response, now go engage with my argument, instead of deflecting.