I’m talking about this sort of thing. Like clearly I wouldn’t want someone to see that on my phone in the office or when I’m sat on a bus.
However there seems be a lot of these that aren’t filtered out by nsfw settings, when a similar picture of a woman would be, so it seems this is a deliberate feature I might not be understanding.
Discuss.
As a huge Anime fan, with some catching up to do, I’ve blocked every anime adjacent community, because NSFW filtering isn’t applied as strictly as I would prefer, on the Anime communities here.
I enjoy a good sexually charged image as much as the next person, perhaps more.
But I scroll Lemmy in front of my impressionable daughter sometimes.
I would like to catch up on Anime recommendations, here.
But, to me, it’s just not worth the risk of suddenly needing to explain to my daughter why Faye Valentine’s parents didn’t love her enough to buy her full sets of clothing.
[email protected] mostly posts key visuals and posters, episodes discussions, and news. Stuff you’d see in public.
The actual fanart side of things tends to stick to [email protected] and [email protected]
Op, if my HR dept saw me scroll by that pic… It would be an annoying conversation. Like while I’ll agree, there’s no nudity… I would get in trouble. I’ve left some chatroom due to this… People just don’t understand that I don’t care but the folks cutting my checks will make a thing of it
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But when you suggest that it becomes a whole HR issue.
I prefer to frame it as an HR opportunity
I don’t understand the issue. Wouldn’t it be solved by the exact same solution?
As much as I like looking at pictures of anime girls I think they should be marked as NSFW if they are barely clothed.
I think if you wouldn’t use it as your wallpaper at work because it is inappropriate for work, that’s NSFW. So yeah at my job that would be NSFW.
I feel like the Internet needs more tags:
- Explicit (rude language, nudity, etc)
- Porn (nsfw legacy tag)
- Violence
- Not safe for life
Something like that.
These aren’t even enough.
The tag for this particular problem would be something like “mildly suggestive” because it’s literally just skin that some people don’t want to see.
Yeah, I agree. I do sort of understand op’s consternation. I don’t browse Lemmy on my work PC, but sometimes on lunch or in public I pull it up on my phone on All communities and I’m suddenly conscious that everyone beside me can see the “sfw” furry and anime art that I scroll past.
However, that’s kinda my fault. I don’t want to ban those communities because I like that stuff. It’s just a little odd that we call it sfw when, to be honest, I have a hard time picturing most work places where I live happy to see that on my desktop.
I’ve seen sites that have something similar, including a “suggestive” tag for pics like OP’s.
Yeah, that would be great. Many instance admins already use CSAM classifier models on all incoming images. It’d be great if they could add additional models that could put meta tags on images automatically like “suggestive” and “gore” with the option for the poster to modify the tags just in case it was a false negative or positive. Like a lasagna getting gore, for example.
I wonder if Lemmy could easily do content warnings like on Mastodon. I don’t know if it’s part of the ActivityPub spec but it’s definitely a thing that’s been implemented elsewhere.
The answer to “is it part of the activityPub spec?” is more often than not a strong No.
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I am of the opinion that there should be more granularity to NSFW than a simple binary.
I’m a fan of how e621 does things:
rating:s (safe)
rating:q (questionable)
rating:e (explicit,)
But I would add another:
rating:t (traumatic, known elsewhere as Not Safe For Life)
Call it “purity” and allow users to filter posts to allow or block any arbitrary combination of purity levels (wallhalla, formerly wallbase, does this if you want to see how it could work).
It would be great if everything could be classified in this way, but is it practically possible to apply a more complex system like this across instances, given that we struggle with the simpler NSFW tag?
The reason why people are struggling with one tag may also be exactly because it’s only one tag.
It’s difficult to categorize gray as black or white, after all.
Imo, the real issue is how not to go overboard, adding more and more tags, and keeping things easy to filter.
Perhaps. I’m not expert but I’m just not convinced you’d get good compliance across instances.
After all, even minimal non- compliance makes the whole thing pointless
Can’t the same be said about what we have right now, though?
No system is flawless, but you’d be surprised the lengths people will go to uphold the ones that work.
Moreover I don’t think these need to be on a single scale. Like, trauma isn’t “more” than pornographic, it’s just something completely different (ideally).
There can be a scale of safe to unsafe for a variety of reasons, and people might be able to filter what they see more proactively based on their own tolerances (and interests).
But then again complexity can be a deterrence. Tagging and cataloging can be a big content management problem and I think most want to do the simplest thing possible.
But maybe content advisory could be a crowd sourced effort, using a up/down ranking on explicit categories just like we can do on posts.
Makes sense to me.
There is https://github.com/LemmyNet/rfcs/pull/4 but lemmy devs aren’t responding for months.
Of course it should. NSFW doesn’t mean too hot to handle. It means, I don’t want coworkers or customers seeing this on my screen, as a matter of professionalism.
I 100% would not want an image like that to pop up in front of a coworker. I’m on board with you, OP.
Yes
Agree, if I scroll past it and someone looking over my shoulder is going to call me a weirdo, it should be NSFW.
Which half?
NSFW is not safe for work, so if it wouldn’t fly at work… it should be marked.
what if someone works in a sex shop? (asking for a friend) /s
Sure, sex workers, morticians, first responders, doctors, AI Gore artists are all interesting corner cases
NSFW to mean implies the content that wont get anyone in trouble or fired.
lmao is that artifical intelligence gore or Al Gore the politician
I definitely had to reread that a couple times lol
He is my muse.
Still NSFW (in that case, not enough nudity)
Anime girls are the most oppressed demographic 😔
You know damn well how NSFW is applied on the internet.
Clearly we have a different understanding, how do you apply Not Safe For Work?
I’ve often seen NSFW used as basically just “contains nudity”. You could have a woman in skimpy clothing shaking her everything in a manner clearly trying to evoke sexual thoughts, but because her nipples and genitalia are technically covered, it would get posted as “SFW”.
Sure, so you want a nudity/sex tag instead of a NSFW tag.
NSFW would be a superset of nudity.
Just because some people don’t know how to use NSFW doesn’t mean it means something else than “Not suited for work”. Anything that a colleague, boss etc could see that would result in awkwardness, “the talk”, is NSFW. Same thing for gore.
I just want posts or communities to have category tags for me to block by tag. So I can block all anime and every non-English community.
I have nothing against them. They’re just not of interest to me and I don’t want them on my feed. Blocking a community is mostly useless because there are so many of them it’s like playing whack a mole.
I completely agree… Most of my block list are ‘moe’ communities, and it is only getting longer
There is a proposal to add Tags but devs aren’t really responding. https://github.com/LemmyNet/rfcs/pull/4
Yes. 100%
Where the NSFW line is drawn varies depending on the moderator and community. If there are communities that are either not moderated actively enough or draw that line too far to one side for your taste, then don’t subscribe or block those communities. Those tools exist there for a reason.
I would not consider the post you have linked to as NSFW. I also think that the NSFW tag has evolved over time, so perhaps my definition of NSFW just doesn’t line up with what today’s standard should be. There are plenty of anime characters in very popular shows that have a character design similar to that. There are big billboards of them some places to promote the show. Just because it might be NSFW in your work environment/region, does not mean it is everywhere.
Just because it might be NSFW in your work environment/region, does not mean it is everywhere.
Yeah. It’s not a question of right or wrong, it’s a question of whether a moderator (or community) is willing to put into the extra effort to allow folks in sensitive reading environments (or sensitive readers, I suppose) to participate.
I am constantly, personally, under the impression that there are no Anime communities on Lemmy, even though I frequently read “new/all”.
I genuinely think there aren’t very many. That’s true right? I haven’t blocked like 700 of them already? I don’t give much thought to blocking an unmoderated community, so it could be.
(Sarcasm) Which is tragic for those communities, because my Anime hot takes are on fleek.(/sarcasm)
I think anime has become one of the more active niche interest communities on lemmy. The most active general anime community is [email protected] (shameless plug).
In general, myself and some of the other more active posters have been migrating and encouraging other related communities to be located on the ani.social instance. Part of the reason behind that is that it lets users that just really don’t want to see any anime content (see this thread) simply block the instance and move on.
I know all about anime hot takes though. I have previously professed to hating Clannad so much I couldn’t watch past the first couple of episodes.
I have previously professed to hating Clannad so much I couldn’t watch past the first couple of episodes.
Damn, that sure is a hot take
Depends
Clannad? Valid
After-Story?
I just block the people that post them, and the sub it’s from. I almost never see that shit now.
I do the same but there so fucking many, it seems. Why are people so into the cartoon porn? It’s fucking weird.
Yeah, there seems to be some disconnect with those people. I look at the people’s history before blocking them, and the ones posting that content often have some mental health issues.
Probably resulting from an inability to find healthy love or the feeling of being loved, as most mental health issues seem to stem from.
Love is all we need, and when it’s lacking, shit gets weird.
That would be perfectly acceptable where I live and work. No nudity, no tits, no genitals, move along…
On the other hand, anime in general is relegated to teens more than not here, so any anime would raise eyebrows if seems browsing from my phone by others given I am definitely not a teen by large.
YMMV, but different cultures different sensibility.
Should Lemmy be a MCM or a MCD? I think this should be the question.
On the other hand, anime in general is relegated to teens more than not
Does anyone else find this creepy?
You find it creepy that most consumers of anime are teens?
I don’t get it?
