They believe this, just their needs are higher than those who “don’t deserve it”
why use a flawed religion to criticize a flawed religion?
Jokes on you, they don’t read the bible
“Why is Jesus always preaching liberal talking points!? And those prophets in the old testament are getting all pissed about people not taking care of the poor. That sounds like SoCiAlIsM!”
I stopped reading the Bible after it became woke.
They tried to tell me Jesus isn’t white! /s
You joke, but this is literally happening.
They only read song of psalms and revelations, the “exciting” parts
Psalms is arguably the least exciting book in the Bible. It’s like reading through a hymnal. Well, it’s not like that, it is that because it’s literally a book of songs.
Chronicles, either one. The only verse that peaks anyone’s interest is 1 Chron 11:4, because it mentions Jebus
Chronicles mostly someone explaining family trees to you, here’s the first 30ish verses:
Adam, Sheth, Enosh, Kenan, Mahalaleel, Jered, Henoch, Methuselah, Lamech, Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
And the sons of Gomer; Ashchenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah. And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.
The sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, Put, and Canaan.
And the sons of Cush; Seba, and Havilah, and Sabta, and Raamah, and Sabtecha. And the sons of Raamah; Sheba, and Dedan. And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be mighty upon the earth.
And Mizraim begat Ludim, and Anamim, and Lehabim, and Naphtuhim, and Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (of whom came the Philistines,) and Caphtorim.
And Canaan begat Zidon his firstborn, and Heth, the Jebusite also, and the Amorite, and the Girgashite, and the Hivite, and the Arkite, and the Sinite, and the Arvadite, and the Zemarite, and the Hamathite. The sons of Shem; Elam, and Asshur, and Arphaxad, and Lud, and Aram, and Uz, and Hul, and Gether, and Meshech. And Arphaxad begat Shelah, and Shelah begat Eber. And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of the one was Peleg; because in his days the earth was divided: and his brother’s name was Joktan. And Joktan begat Almodad, and Sheleph, and Hazarmaveth, and Jerah, Hadoram also, and Uzal, and Diklah, and Ebal, and Abimael, and Sheba, and Ophir, and Havilah, and Jobab. All these were the sons of Joktan. Shem, Arphaxad, Shelah, Eber, Peleg, Reu, Serug, Nahor, Terah, Abram; the same is Abraham. The sons of Abraham; Isaac, and Ishmael. These are their generations: the firstborn of Ishmael, Nebaioth; then Kedar, and Adbeel, and Mibsam, Mishma, and Dumah, Massa, Hadad, and Tema, Jetur, Naphish, and Kedemah. These are the sons of Ishmael. Now the sons of Keturah, Abraham’s concubine: she bare Zimran, and Jokshan, and Medan, and Midian, and Ishbak, and Shuah. And the sons of Jokshan; Sheba, and Dedan. And the sons of Midian; Ephah, and Epher, and Henoch, and Abida, and Eldaah. All these are the sons of Keturah. And Abraham begat Isaac. The sons of Isaac; Esau and Israel.Songs of Solomon is the book I meant to put.
The rules of the temple, I thought I was going to die the agnoy was so great.
The book of leviticus would like to speak to you.
Here’s another one:
23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”
Matthew 19:23-24
The “eye of a needle” referenced here was a small opening in the city walls meant to reduce traffic for security. A camel piled up with goods would would have a difficult time passing through it.
For full context, check out Matthew 19:16-28: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew 19&version=NIV
I will have to downvote because of the misinformation on the eye of the needle claim. That is almost certainly false - there really isn’t any evidence of this and the theory seems to come from the middle ages.
Similarly, camel probably means camel, not cable (as a popular theory suggests).
Here is a video that discusses the theories.
Please edit to qualify the claim about the eye of the needle.
The “eye of a needle” referenced here was a small opening in the city walls meant to reduce traffic for security. A camel piled up with goods would would have a difficult time passing through it.
I also saw that episode of 700 Club when I was a child. Old Pat there suddenly seemed real concerned that we were taking a 4000 year old work into proper context for its time on THAT issue, right?
I mean it’s probably bullshit because of how convenient it is that the lines explicitly saying rich people aren’t going to be as blessed are like, the ONLY works that are examined critically and turn out to mean something else entirely? Bull. Fucking. Shit.
But even if it’s not a steaming pile, if you accept this interpretation, doesn’t that open up the rest of the bible for complete reimagining and reinterpretation of everything written? How do we know what else is a metaphor or not? So only special 'blessed" people are supposed to translate the text correctly for us illiterate, sinful masses? I think we’ve been through this debate before in history.
Evil Trump: I’m poor. I’m so poor that I’ve been on unemployment benefits for several years
The evidence for the gate theory is poor. Jesus probably was referencing an actual needle when we said this
Ah, I was going by what they taught me at baptist church when I was a kid. I guess they lied to me. I’m shocked!
As a Catholic they always preached it to me as an actual needle. It was until I left the church and visited a Christian church (trying to fit with my girlfriend at the time) the pastor talked about the “gate of Jerusalem” and that it was difficult but not impossible (of course the pastor arrived in a BMW X6M to the service and was asking for the tithe). That’s when I looked online for this but there is no strong evidence, and the doors called “eye of needle” are from Europe from the year ~1000CE
If only you would have asked him if he thought his BMW would have been able to pass through.
Additionally, its more likely that the camel is a mistranslation, since the words for “camel” and “rope” are nearly identical both in Aramaic and Greek.
What I think is important here, and what is seems many in the comments below are missing out on, is that Jesus says that it is hard, not impossible. Giving all your money away will not suddenly make you a good person, just as never having had money does not mean you are a good person. Jesus charged his followers with living lives of self sacrifice on the behalf of others in all aspects. Annias and saphira did not drop dead because they did not give up their goods but because they lied about it. I know many Christians who have done very well financially and are the most generous people I know. I also know some who are very stingy and uncompassionate with their money. The fact is, those who have more, have more that they have to give up. Those who have less, have less to give up. Each, however, is charged to live in the same manner.
God asks us to give freely and abundantly as he does. This is not forced upon us, though. There is no forcing someone to obey certian things in Christianity. Jesus says that is we love him, we will keep his commands. Those who choose not to keep his commands are demonstrating a greater love for whatever the opposite is at that time. Love involves choice, though. It is not a socialists ideology enforced upon every person. A perfect christian community would look socialistic but would arrive there through the perfect love of one’s neighbors. Unfortunately, we do not live in a world of perfect Christians whose every decision is fuled by the love of others.
No, he says it’s impossible. Because the needle wasn’t a gate, it was a needle. And that’s really clear from the quote in context:
Matthew 19:21-24
Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth. Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”
He was really, really clear on this. Do not be rich. The only way he could have been clearer is if he had literally said, “do not be rich.” Oh wait, he pretty much did say that.
Luke 6:20
And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said: “Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God.
But come on, he didn’t say that you should be dirt poor. Like you can still have some nice stuff, right? That thing in Matthew was metaphorical, right?
Like 18:22
When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “One thing you still lack. Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”
Fuck.
He never said it was impossible. He clearly says it is hard. When Jesus says to the rich young ruler to sell all he had and give to the poor and follow him, he is not saying to quit your high paying job that made you rich in the first place. He is saying to radically change the way you are living to benifit those around you. We make idols of things all around us. Many make idols of money. Some, though difficult, are able to continue to make a lot of money while simultaneously giving it away for the betterment of those around them. What I was trying to point out is that those who make a lot of money are not the enemy, but those who horde what they have to the detriment of the love of God and man.
“Christians”
The big difference is the part where it was voluntary.
And between believers of the faith. Context for the verse makes you understand that these people were not just just knowing each other, they were inside a fellowship. They know each other intimately, not just a bunch of unknown people sharing just because
Yeah its like a big family, and we are all socialists when you get down to a smaller group of our family or community.
Yeah it always works for small amounts of people and breaks at biggest scales, we know
It isn’t voluntary if you know you will go to hell if you don’t. That’s the illusion of choice. If I threatened to take a baseball bat to your head unless you acted nice to someone who didn’t deserve it, chances are you would go along with it. You got a reason and a threat. It’s a choice in a very very loose sense of the word. Hell is an infinity of pain, thus there is no choice.
You know christian “communism” is a thing right? Amy Coney Barret was raised in a Catholic Commune Cult. They love this shit. They say "we want to live like Jesus’s disciples, and then set up their own patriarchal fiefdoms and don’t pay taxes.
Socialism isn’t when sharing. This won’t even work to piss off a conservative who has half a brain and they would be just as correct in refuting it. Don’t get me wrong, I love me some liberation gospel, but people should really study some socialist literature, preferably Marx/Engels.
Alternatively there’s the Catholic workers who don’t discuss abortion because they all agree their position on it is obvious, shame they can’t agree on what that obvious position is.
They can be, I agree catholic workers are some of the kindest, most loving and open hearted people; but people from the professional class can be some of the most conservative psychos this foul culture is capable of producing. Remember the Federalist society, at the heart of the conspiracy to turn our courts into a blatant apparatus of class war, is a Catholic organization.
So as in a lot of cases, ideology is more of a class thing. There’s religion for the rich and, religion for the poor and they are very different
Then why is she serving Mammon? I guess cognitive dissonance, like Calvinism.
Because religion for the rich is different than religion for the poor
Alrighty then.
So they justify not being socialist according to this verse by the word believers. They don’t want to share with non-believers or even believers of other denominations (they are also non-believers since they aren’t exactly the same). So they can be non-socialist and just tithe and think it’s fine
The tithe is an Old Testament standard. The New Testament says that they should give whatever the pastor asks. If the pastor asks for 30%, they are theologically supposed to give 30%.
There is actually nothing in the bible about giving in accordance to what a “pastor” says. I am not sure where you got that from. While you are correct that the “tithe” as described in the OT no longer applies because we are not giveing to the temple, Jesus’ command is to give freely, abundantly, and sacrificially out if s cheerful heart. The jews at Jesus’ time would have actually given a good bit more than 10% because of the various annual festivals that also required a percent to be given. What they were giving was in support of the upkeep of the temple and the priestly line who was prohibited from working elsewhere. For Christians, there is no priestly line. We have two offices according to the NT, Elder and deacon. Neither of these are entitled to financial compensation because of the title. Where we get that we should compensate them for their work from the command that a laborers should not be without his wages, and many pastors are doing work that amounts to a full time job. The fact of the matter right now is that most “pastors” across the world are bivocational meaning that they hold other jobs if time allows.
There is actually nothing in the bible about giving in accordance to what a “pastor” says. I am not sure where you got that from.
Gonna go out on a limb here and say they were told this by their “pastor.”
Nope. I actually came up with that on my own after reading the bible. Many “pastors” still preach the whole tithing thing, though.
I don’t remember the exact verse, just that somewhere in the new Testament it says that you are to give what’s asked.
I dunno, it sure sounds like Jesus said it was 100 percent, shared back according to needs, and we whip anyone who tries to hoard money.
But tithing doesn’t go to directly to people based on need. There are poor people in every denomination. They clearly don’t interpret this literally.
Well these MegaPastors need private jets to keep away from the poo… er, demons!
SUDDENLY THE BIBLE REQUIRES TRANSLATION INTO TODAY’S CONTEXT AND TERMS HUH
These fuckers will scream the bible can’t be wrong when it comes to judging others but the moment they realize Jesus asked them to do something for other people and not just scream at people who look different, now all of a suddenly, we need to define what the term “riches” mean and we have to take into account it’s a 4000 year old work, etc. etc.
This doesn’t even touch the part shortly after this verse about a couple that lied about giving everything to the church and god opened up the earth to swallow them for bucking the socialist system.
Joshua 7. Oh wait sorry we are pretending it wasn’t just plagiarized from earlier stories.
Acts 5.1-11
They love to cite the parts of Leviticus that condemn homosexual behavior, but suddenly when Leviticus starts telling you where to get your slaves and how cruel you should be, it’s “but that’s the Old Testament!! 🤓☝️”
Didn’t Leviticus also say something about what foods you can eat?
I seem to recall something about shellfish.
If someone slaps you, offer the other cheek, if someone asks for your shirt, give your cloak as well.
Last time I checked, liberals also worshipped private property like a god, so doesn’t this meme also apply to them?
Might want to check again. Also your source sounds biased
Tell me, liberal, do you support the abolition of the concept of private property?
Wasn’t planning on it. Especially since I worked so hard to be the authorized representative for all liberals everywhere
I’m pretty sure most liberals would give a similar or identical answer. You guys love private property so much, you even use it to justify slavery and genocide!
I don’t know why you are asking me if you claim to already know what I believe.
I’m just dunking on you. You should know that supporting nazism has consequences.
Now I am a fucking Nazi?
What is your damage?
Define “liberal” please.
Someone who worships private property like a god.
So basically no one here in a community about authoritarianism and also not something anyone here would approve of?
Maybe you’re getting irate at the wrong group.
Do you support the abolition of landlords?
This is not about me nor what I believe. However, even if I did believe that one person should be allowed to rent their home to someone else, that doesn’t mean I worship private property like a god.
‘Worship’ and ‘god’ are words that have meanings. Perhaps you should look them up if you think ‘believes someone should be legally allowed to rent their home to someone else’ applies to either word.
So if a landlord uses the police to throw a single mom out of her home because she can’t pay rent, how is that not authoritarianism?
Sorry, you’re moving the goalposts now. This was about worshiping property as a god.
Is believing that someone can rent their home to someone else worshiping property as a god? If so, please define ‘worship’ and ‘god’ as they apply to this context.
Are they quoting the Bible for everything? If not then no it doesn’t apply.
there are two types of religious people whom i will respect.
Extremely devout Christians. (they often do more good than negative) They’ll spend a lot more time reading and practicing religious texts, than yelling about gay people or whatever.
and those who are what i like to refer to as “standing” religious. They identify as religious, but it’s primarily for personal reasons. They generally don’t practice religion outside of their personal experience in the world.
Suburban Christians are a fucking nightmare.
Rich people more than anything.
The ultimate reality is a lot of people die if the lower class doesn’t look out for their own interests while the upper class just watches.
I think the class warfare is the only real ideological war and everyone else is 3 meals away from poverty and barely have a loaf of bread to spare.
The rich start the rest of humanity follows. Hold Oprah accountable.
It’s always been class warfare, rich vs poor. The culture war bullshit has always been a distraction.
I think this needs a little clarification. The culture war bullshit is real because these laws have real effects, its just all fake in its justification. You pull the mask off the culture war and its just rich people trying to pin their crimes on marginalized groups.
Agreed.
The bible is a woke rag!!!
I’m sad to say it didn’t surprise me in the least when preachers starting telling stories of their congregation calling Jesus a woke pussy.
More like socialists are fundamentally jesus.
