That… That right there made me hate the entire trilogy… So we’re slowly overwhelmed, we’re slowly losing and being killed and the situation is so dire and… Oh there is the immortal deux ex machina guys just trampling over the enemy killing them all in a minute aaaaand we’re done!
Reapers pull in around 1,500,000 to 2,200,000 SHU
Then there is Pepper X which is 2,693,000 SHU.
After that extracts which range all the way up to pure capsaicin which is 16,000,000 SHU.
Nothing can be hotter then that. People claim hotter by saying you can stack two 10m extracts etc but that’s just volume not technically hotter.
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Update I pulled out 4th my stomach couldn’t handle it. Got the biggest cramps so I’m lying on my bed suffering at the moment waiting for the cramps to pass
It would be more like, they invented the atomic bomb, use it to take Iwo Jima and then the United States goes back to sulking and wondering how the hell they’re going to take the home islands.
In lotr they use the undead to win the battle of pellenor fields but they don’t use it to win the war. It’s a legitimate plot hole.
It’s not a plot hole. The oathbreakers had satisfied their oaths and were owed peaceful rest. If Aragorn had kept them around after they had fulfilled their end of the bargain, then he would have been breaking an oath, and the fact that he doesn’t even though it seems like the logical thing to do is key to Aragorn’s goodness as a character and worthiness to be king.
The army of the dead would turn around on Aragorn and his remaining guys and consume them or something. The oath breaker king ( in book) is like “release us”, but the context shows us he means “release us OR…” they’re just barely under Aragorn’s control. They’re not a weapon to be put away and then used again later, not even against Sauron. They’re poisoned and corrupt beyond redemption. All Aragorn can do, after they keep their oath to him, is give them permission to evaporate into the void. EDIT: I just flipped through ROTK and can’t find a scene where Aragorn dismisses them. They never speak to him, he orders them verbally to follow him to the Stone of Erech. I mixed up the book and movie, it seems.
Yeah, I know that’s how it’s explained, but… why though? Why would fighting in one battle fulfill their oaths? Presumably, Isuldur wanted them to fight for the whole war, that’s how conscription usually works. So I don’t see why one battle would do it, especially since as undead they have nothing to lose.
To be fair the entire army itself was just a distraction so that frodo could destroy the ring. The ghosts weren’t what caused them to win, they just prevented the death of the bait.
Right but, why bother with smoke and mirrors when you have an immortal unbeatable army in the first place.
Even in the book its not really explained why the oathbreakers only help out for one fight; the only difference is in the books they never actually go to Minas Tirith they just help against the corsairs.
Presumably Sauron could’ve destroyed the ghosts, he was just a little distracted at that time frame, or not yet able or willing to face them directly. Like the Eagles, they can’t really tackle the Sauron problem, so aren’t as much of a solve as they appear.
Also the reason they only fight in the final battle I think is because that is the only battle they’re bound to fight in, I’m not even sure you could use them to fight any other battle than against Sauron’s armies.
In the books it was just that they would only answer to Isldur’s Heir. They also scared the Corsairs of Umbar away from their ships, but it was an army of Dunadain (along with a few elves, like Elrond’s sons) that actually ran them off permanently, so they could use the ships to bring some of the Gondorians in the south back north to join the main battle.
That… That right there made me hate the entire trilogy… So we’re slowly overwhelmed, we’re slowly losing and being killed and the situation is so dire and… Oh there is the immortal deux ex machina guys just trampling over the enemy killing them all in a minute aaaaand we’re done!
It was so anti climactic
Agreed, I had the same thoughts with Oppenheimer. They just invent a big scary bomb and that ends the war? What an anti-climatic ending.
Kinda like the war. Island hoping through the Pacific theater for ages, then they just drop two extre spicy bombs and the whole deal is done
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That’s like whipping out a Carolina Reaper when you’re only used to Jalepeños…
Ohhh, I’m about to compete in the Australian chilli eating championship.
We’re going well above Reapers.
Tomorrow is going to really suck for my body
What is above Reapers? Pure capsaicin? Resiniferatoxin?
Reapers pull in around 1,500,000 to 2,200,000 SHU Then there is Pepper X which is 2,693,000 SHU.
After that extracts which range all the way up to pure capsaicin which is 16,000,000 SHU.
Nothing can be hotter then that. People claim hotter by saying you can stack two 10m extracts etc but that’s just volume not technically hotter.
…
Update I pulled out 4th my stomach couldn’t handle it. Got the biggest cramps so I’m lying on my bed suffering at the moment waiting for the cramps to pass
Resiniferatoxin has entered the chat: 16,000,000,000 SHU
Wishing you a smooth recovery!
It would be more like, they invented the atomic bomb, use it to take Iwo Jima and then the United States goes back to sulking and wondering how the hell they’re going to take the home islands.
In lotr they use the undead to win the battle of pellenor fields but they don’t use it to win the war. It’s a legitimate plot hole.
It’s not a plot hole. The oathbreakers had satisfied their oaths and were owed peaceful rest. If Aragorn had kept them around after they had fulfilled their end of the bargain, then he would have been breaking an oath, and the fact that he doesn’t even though it seems like the logical thing to do is key to Aragorn’s goodness as a character and worthiness to be king.
The army of the dead would turn around on Aragorn and his remaining guys and consume them or something. The oath breaker king ( in book) is like “release us”, but the context shows us he means “release us OR…” they’re just barely under Aragorn’s control. They’re not a weapon to be put away and then used again later, not even against Sauron. They’re poisoned and corrupt beyond redemption. All Aragorn can do, after they keep their oath to him, is give them permission to evaporate into the void. EDIT: I just flipped through ROTK and can’t find a scene where Aragorn dismisses them. They never speak to him, he orders them verbally to follow him to the Stone of Erech. I mixed up the book and movie, it seems.
Yeah, I know that’s how it’s explained, but… why though? Why would fighting in one battle fulfill their oaths? Presumably, Isuldur wanted them to fight for the whole war, that’s how conscription usually works. So I don’t see why one battle would do it, especially since as undead they have nothing to lose.
To be fair the entire army itself was just a distraction so that frodo could destroy the ring. The ghosts weren’t what caused them to win, they just prevented the death of the bait.
Right but, why bother with smoke and mirrors when you have an immortal unbeatable army in the first place.
Even in the book its not really explained why the oathbreakers only help out for one fight; the only difference is in the books they never actually go to Minas Tirith they just help against the corsairs.
Presumably Sauron could’ve destroyed the ghosts, he was just a little distracted at that time frame, or not yet able or willing to face them directly. Like the Eagles, they can’t really tackle the Sauron problem, so aren’t as much of a solve as they appear.
Also the reason they only fight in the final battle I think is because that is the only battle they’re bound to fight in, I’m not even sure you could use them to fight any other battle than against Sauron’s armies.
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Basically, yes.
In the books it was just that they would only answer to Isldur’s Heir. They also scared the Corsairs of Umbar away from their ships, but it was an army of Dunadain (along with a few elves, like Elrond’s sons) that actually ran them off permanently, so they could use the ships to bring some of the Gondorians in the south back north to join the main battle.
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