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    5 months ago

    Ah the old ā€œimplications donā€™t existā€.

    Pretending ā€œboth sides are accusing each other ofā€¦ā€ in cases like this is a textbook example of bad faith arguing.

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        You acting that childish ā€” proudly ā€” is honestly making me sad in real life.

        The implication of the first comment of this thread is that there are ā€œboth sidesā€ to this. There arenā€™t. Who exactly is saying ā€œPalestine is committing a genocide on Israelis?ā€

        Trying to pretend both sides are in any way ā€œas badā€ is exactly the type of shitty propaganda Israel keeps pushing. The same type of rhetoric the Nazis used. Itā€™s so fucking ironic that Jewish people are now committing the heinous crimes they were the victims of 100 years ago.

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          The implication of the first comment of this thread is that there are ā€œboth sidesā€ to this. There arenā€™t. Who exactly is saying ā€œPalestine is committing a genocide on Israelis?ā€

          what an incredibly naive and basic take on a geo political (historical) conflict that is still ongoing.

          If weā€™re going to analyze this from a clinical perspective, as would be implied by ā€œboth sidesā€ we need to consider the actions of both sides, independently to each other. In a manner that is unrelated. This is the only way to truly ā€œboth sidesā€ something.

          Looking at it in any other capacity is entirely irresponsible and disingenuous at best.

          Only a literal child considers both sides exclusively in the capacity of ā€œgenocideā€ in this case. This is like saying that the US won the space race because we got to the moon and back, with people. Even though the USSR did literally everything else before the US did.

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            Only a literal child considers both sides exclusively in the capacity of ā€œgenocideā€ in this case. This is like saying that the US won the space race because we got to the moon and back, with people. Even though the USSR did literally everything else before the US did.

            Even a lot of literal children realise that trying to equate Israel and Palestine as being equally guilty here is not like comparing the US space program to the Sovietā€™s. Itā€™s more like comparing the US space program to the Ghanan space program.

            You just canā€™t accept any fault on Israelā€™s part, because youā€™re a pathetic genocide denier, denying rape and slaughter of children.

            UN Commission Finds Israel Guilty of Crimes Against Humanity

            The report holds the Israeli occupation responsible for the ongoing catastrophic situation in Gaza. But it also alludes to the possibility that October 7 is a watershed moment for even harsher Israeli occupation unless international law is urgently implemented.

            Israel is sanctioned for committing ā€œcrimes against humanity of extermination, gender persecution targeting Palestinian men and boys, murder, forcible transfer, and torture and inhuman and cruel treatment.ā€

            In clear and deliberate violation of international law, Israel intended to commit these crimes: to murder civilians en masse, inflict wide-scale civilian destruction, and collectively punish and dehumanize Palestinians in Gaza. Palestinians were murdered. They didnā€™t die as collateral damage or as unintended victims of Israeli military operations, but as Israelā€™s deliberate targets.

            There the truth goes, being objective again. ĀÆ_(惄)_/ĀÆ

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              Even a lot of literal children realise that trying to equate Israel and Palestine as being equally guilty here is not like comparing the US space program to the Sovietā€™s. Itā€™s more like comparing the US space program to the Ghanan space program.

              iā€™m not equating them.

              You just canā€™t accept any fault on Israelā€™s part,

              i have, numerous times. Youā€™re just lying through your teeth here.

              i like how the section you block quote doesnt even once mention the word ā€œgenocideā€ in it. Youā€™re still pulling it out of your ass.

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                i have, numerous times. Youā€™re just lying through your teeth here.

                Iā€™m still on the edge of whether youā€™re incredibly stupid or actually that bad at lying.

                So you admit that Israel is undeniably indiscriminately bombing civilians, like all the reports show? And you wonā€™t start rambling and equivocating with the exact garbage that Israel tries to deny these accusations with?

                UN Commission Finds Israel Guilty of Crimes Against Humanity

                >The report holds the Israeli occupation responsible for the ongoing catastrophic situation in Gaza. But it also alludes to the possibility that October 7 is a watershed moment for even harsher Israeli occupation unless international law is urgently implemented.
                
                >Israel is sanctioned for committing ā€œcrimes against humanity of extermination, gender persecution targeting Palestinian men and boys, murder, forcible transfer, and torture and inhuman and cruel treatment.ā€
                
                >In clear and deliberate violation of international law, Israel intended to commit these crimes: to murder civilians en masse, inflict wide-scale civilian destruction, and collectively punish and dehumanize Palestinians in Gaza. Palestinians were murdered. They didnā€™t die as collateral damage or as unintended victims of Israeli military operations, but as Israelā€™s deliberate targets.
                

                So if youā€™re not disavowing that, you understand and agree that Israel is guilty of crimes against humanity. But you donā€™t, so youā€™ll continue with some other pathetic grade-school level attempt at saying youā€™re not saying what youā€™re saying.

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                  Iā€™m still on the edge of whether youā€™re incredibly stupid or actually that bad at lying.

                  go read through my posts, youā€™ll find the shit iā€™m talking about.

                  So you admit that Israel is undeniably indiscriminately bombing civilians, like all the reports show? And you wonā€™t start rambling and equivocating with the exact garbage that Israel tries to deny these accusations with?

                  ignoring the fact that youā€™re treating your point like the ultimate source of authority (yet another fallacy, i donā€™t even know what it is, but this is almost definitely a fallacy lmao)

                  And ignoring your rather loaded definitions and statements here which is obviously an intentional tactic of yours, whether you realize it or not.

                  Statistically, israel is bombing, and likewise, killing considerable amounts of civilians throughout the period of this conflict. Whether or not this is definable as ā€œindiscriminateā€ killing is debatable, because that makes it sound like theyā€™re sending bombs into fucking public libraries in america or something.

                  However, funny story, this is the middle east, and weā€™re engaging in extreme urban guerilla warfare tactics here. There is simply no way to counter these without substantial loss of life, or putting your military force at considerable risk. You might just argue that you should send personnel into the urban environments to directly counter them, but this is basically going to be a suicide mission. The only trivial ways to counter these are going to be infantry vehicles, or tanks, and bombing. Thatā€™s it.

                  And no, iā€™m not rambling, this is a conflict that has well over 50 years of history, close to 70 in the modern era. Arguably going all the way back to the very founding of religion itself. There is no ā€œsimpleā€ answer here.

                  UN Commission Finds Israel Guilty of Crimes Against Humanity

                  nice source btw, literally states that hamas has committed multiple war crimes LUL. fascinatingly the block text chunk youā€™re quoting doesnā€™t seem to exist. That or ctrl f is shitting itself.

                  interestingly enough you say it finds them guilty, but again, not a single mention of guilty within the report itself. The report does mention, at least a few times, that israel has committed war crimes, but amusingly it mentions hamas quite a bit as well. Curious that you arenā€™t talking about the ā€œhamas genocideā€ on jewish people (or israeli citizens, but that wouldnā€™t be a conflation now would it?) during the time of this conflict.

                  you understand and agree that Israel is guilty of crimes against humanity.

                  i donā€™t quite believe this statement, again youā€™re doing the funny weaselly wording. I believe that israel has committed war crimes, like hamas, but i donā€™t believe, and i donā€™t know of any corroborating evidence that demonstrates that Israel is legally guilty and charged of committing war crimes. But again, that wouldnā€™t suit your narrative, and it undermines your statement, so youā€™ll continue using incorrect wording and statements to try and adhere to your framework huh?

                  I donā€™t know if youā€™re genuinely trying to conflate ā€œisrael is legally guilty and charged of comitting war crimesā€ with ā€œisrael has committed war crimesā€ in order to later conflate it with ā€œisrael is committing genocideā€ in an effort to ā€œconvertā€ me, but by that point youā€™ll have deconstructed your argument thrice, and it will have so little remaining value that it wonā€™t matter.

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                    you understand and agree that Israel is guilty of crimes against humanity.
                    

                    i donā€™t quite believe this statement,

                    Oh youā€™re denying that Israel is guilty of anything, just alleged to have been doing naughty things? Iā€™m shocked. Yeah, thatā€™s exactly the point of this whole thread. Youā€™re a pathetic defender of crimes against humanity because youā€™re too much of a pussy to take the stand you know is the moral one, because you have relationships with people whom youā€™re not brave enough to disagree with.

                    go read through my posts, youā€™ll find the shit iā€™m talking about.

                    Thereā€™s not enough money in this world for me to go and read the brainfarts of a person like you.

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            So angry at me and sore at losing the argument that instead of just replying with your usual garbage, you replied to three different comments of mine; one on a completely different post (so you got so mad you started stalking my profile, hahahah), then this one, and lastly in the actual thread itself.

            Just a proudly American fool whoā€™s denying that Israel is committing war crimes like these.

            https://www.icc-cpi.int/sites/default/files/2024-05/240520-panel-report-eng.pdf https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/06/04/israel-50-years-occupation-abuses

            Oh, right, sorry, I just remembered youā€™re proudly ignorant and probably your literacy matches that attitude, so somethingā€¦ more to your level:

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_war_crimes_in_the_Israelā€“Hamas_war

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_the_Gaza_Strip

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_schools_during_the_Israeli_invasion_of_Gaza

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_health_facilities_during_the_Israelā€“Hamas_war

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Israeli_airstrikes_on_municipal_services_in_the_Gaza_Strip

            People like you disgust me, but as I donā€™t want to be as shit of a person as you, I actually reply in good faith. People like you just tie yourself in knots.

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              So angry at me and sore at losing the argument that instead of just replying with your usual garbage, you replied to three different comments of mine; one on a completely different post (so you got so mad you started stalking my profile, hahahah), then this one, and lastly in the actual thread itself.

              if weā€™re being factually accurate here, it should be four no? You left two comments in reply to one comment i made that i split into two separate ones due to word limit. And then i responded to this one, and another one about harry potter, and possibly a fifth one, though iā€™d have to go check it to be sure.

              Just a proudly American fool whoā€™s denying that Israel is committing war crimes like these.

              demonstrate it.

              nice copy pasta btw, try harder. Youā€™re clearly tired from being wrong so often.