Alarm bells are ringing among top Democrats over the 2024 presidential race and President Joe Bidenās political future, with the presidentās debate performance leaving some to openly question whether Biden can stay atop of the Democratic ticket.
Biden is well past his prime, had a shitty performance last night, hate his record on Israel, but Iām still voting for him because heās not Trump and Iād prefer that our representative democracy continued. Moving to a braindead, functionally illiterate dictatorship just seems like an all-around worse move in every respect. Not sure about his chances, but whatever, thereās not really any other alternative at this point.
I can waste my time going through that exercise, but itās pretty clear to any thinking person that thatās what the plan is on the Republican side, just look at the words, rhetoric and actions theyāve been taking for the past 10+ years. Otherwise, youāre maliciously asking me to go through the mental effort of writing up an attack on Trump that youāve already decided to ignore and/or counter with some feeble bad faith argument. Youāre a waste of my time and everybody elseās.
Why donāt YOU go ahead and write me up a 2-page essay on why Trump isnāt planning a dictatorship, cite your sources. Thatās essentially what youāre asking me to do and itās guaranteed youāll give a short, flippant remark that doesnāt actually address any of the issues brought up, basically wasting my time. Itāll be a bunch of whataboutism, gaslighting, misdirection, and BS, thatās the standard MO.
So youāre saying your preferred choice of the two wants to become a dictator but youāre fine with it because you think the constitution will stop him?
If thatās not the case why even cite the constitution.
Election fraud means the election would be voided and it would have to go to contingent election? I forget the process. I have no idea wtf Trump is talking about.
Iām not a, āMAGAā soldier. Quite frankly heās just the better option of the two.
Care you explain why heās better? Is it his business acumen? His morality? His honesty? His willingness to do whatās best for the American public? His faith in the bureaucracy that allows any large organization to work? His support of the legal framework of the country? His physical fitness? His intelligence? His past record as president? Honestly, Iām curious why you think heās the best option for this job.
Constitution only matters if it is being enforced. And 2017-2020 showed us that very few Republicans were willing to do that.
Currently SCOTUS is debating whether president has absolute immunity (in other words, if he can commit any crime, including murdering his political opponents) something that is absolutely against our constitution, yet they have to debate it.
chit
/CHit/
noun
a short official note, memorandum, or voucher, typically recording a sum owed.
"write out a chit for whatever you take from the drinks cupboard"
Because Iāve never heard nor read someone use, āchitā instead of āshitā and come to find out itās an actual word (excluding chitchat) with multiple meanings.
Iām intentionally using, āchitāā¦ being that Iām Latino and if you ever heard a boater Latino say shit, it sounds like chit.
Donāt use the time he instigated a coupe attempt as a reason?
Can you tell me why putting my hand on an electric burner that is red hot is a bad idea? Donāt use anyoneās past experiences being burned by hot objects.
Sure you could technically go into a complex explanation using physics as to why itās a bad idea, but why?
The constitution is decided by the Supreme Court in the end. The American system of government makes the selection of justices political appointees for life. That is why you have Republican and Democrat justices. Political. So the constitution gets bent into any political shape according to power possession.
Donāt for a second believe that the United States canāt sleepwalk into a dictatorship. People are already describing Jan 6 as an ordinary tourist visit. What will it take for the public to see the danger with their own eyes.
I highly recommend āOn Tyranny: Twenty Lessons from the Twentieth Centuryā by historian Timothy Snyder
If you canāt get a book or audio book the author also reads it on YouTube.
It can absolutely happen. Nothing stopping a republic from becoming a dictatorship. If it happened once in history, it will happen again. This thing in particular has happened multiple times. The US may show more resilience but in the end, it is a human system run by humans, and it will be broken by humans.
If inciting an attack on the capital and destabilizing the worlds oldest democracy doesnāt immediately discount Trump from your voting decisions then youāre braindead lol. Imagine trying to argue past that, despite 9 years of existing with Trump as a political figure.
So - ignoring the time he sent a mob to try and overthrow the US government, how about we use the fact that he literally said heād be a dictator?
Or maybe the fact that his legal defense against trying to overthrow the government was that the President is immune from all crimes. His lawyers even literally said he could have his political opponents murdered, and so long as the surviving politicians donāt impeach and convict him he canāt be held liable for it.
Theyāre arguing a legal framework under which he can murder the opposition, and then kill anyone that tries to remove him from office.
I just wanted to add that Iām pretty sure Trump is jealous that Putin has something that he doesnātā¦ owning an entire country.
He wants to be like Putin and Kim Jong Un and is playing some warped version of ākeeping up with the Jonesesā to the detriment of our entire country. Itās a disgusting display of self absorption I never thought possible.
Thatās literally it. Heās going to try to become a dictator so he can boost his fucking ego and not be āoutdoneā by someone else.
He has said he plans on being a dictator for day one.
Source?
He regularly talks like a dictator jailing and killing his political opponents.
This is literally Biden and Coā¦ This includes Obama and Hilary. Obviously you have a source for this too, right? Surely you have literal videos of his speeches/rallies where he speaks like a dictator announcing heās going to jail and or kill his political opponents.
Personally, when Trump wins, I think he should definitely pull a Bukele and have all politicians on all sides investigated for corruption, including the DOJ, the FBI, and the CIA.
Hes putins little bitch who looks up to him, so of course he would want to be as great as the greatestness of putin.
Russia-gate is and was all BSā¦ If youāre referring to that. Trumpās commentary of Putin was really no different than Kim Jong Un of North Korea. Also, the cold war is over. Hating Russia today just because politicians do, is mindless drone territory.
Lol at supposedly asking an open question, while simultaneously stipulating that the open rebellion cannot be mentioned. Thatās not how open questions work.
Persecution of male homosexuals, Jehovahās Witnesses, pacifists, the mentally ill / disabled, and political opponents. Stealing thousands of mostly Slavic children from their parents and having them adopted by ethnic Germans.
Not American, and hate Trump and Biden equally. I say vote Trump. Heās the slim shady of US politics - heās only giving you things you say with your friends inside of your living room, the only difference is heās got the balls to say it in front of you all and donāt have to sugar coat it at all.
So instead of avoiding your discomfort of acknowledging what the US is, just vote trump and let it be clear to everyone
Or not. It doesnāt matter what you do, Trump is winning anyway. You guys are going to have cheetos man for president whether you, or we, like it or not.
Yea the things my family who likes him says in the living room is mostly ignorant compilations of how they think the government works and dumb white trash racist garbage so no thanks.
So your logic is that supporting garbage is better than supporting the anti-garbage because it makes clear to everyone that you and everybody else are supporting garbage? Donāt you think voting Trump because āhe will winā is a self-fulfulling prophecy?
Ahh see the fatal flaw there is that you assume Biden is anti-garbage. Thatās your mistake, right there. But your tribalism wonāt allow you to admit that. So, feel free to respond if you like, but Iām out.
And theyād still be correct, I would prefer a man who shits himself on live television every single day, over Trump. No contest. Iād vote in a potted cactus before I vote Trump. What the fuck is wrong with you.
I would vote for a cactus before either of them. We had a lettuce outlast a PM over here a short while ago. But you are blind if you see any fucking difference between them, dude.
Like, I was telling my 2 year old last night he could have the dinosaur Pjās or the elephant Pjās for bed. But it was IMPLICIT that he is going to bed.
Similarly, it is IMPLICIT that you and all other Americans are going to be exploited, and brown people are going to be killed, but you can pick the red guy to do it, or the blue guy.
Similarly, it is IMPLICIT that you and all other Americans are going to be exploited, and brown people are going to be killed, but you can pick the red guy to do it, or the blue guy.
And that is no excuse to explicitly support the far more vocal and exploitative of the two, cheering forth the exploitation and murder because āBoTh sIDeS aRe GoiNg tO DO iT!ā Fuck that. One side at least has the decency to appear publicly shameful of it. The other revels in it, where the cruelty is the point. If both sides are the same then Iām going to pick the side with a veneer of civility because to do otherwise is to give up entirely on any hope for a future. If both sides arenāt the same then we all know which color is going to end up on the right side of history, that isnāt even a question. So regardless how IMPLICIT it is that America is fucked up shit creek, itās also EXPLICIT that the average voter doesnāt get much of a say in it and we can only either vote for ineffective neoliberalism, or vote to actively set our own faces on fire.
āI hate the way everything is. Candidate A will make everything mostly stay the same, shitty garbage that Iām used to. Candidate B will make everything that I hate several times worse, as well as present new and novel problems weāve never even known about before now, as well as inventing new non-issues to pad his own pockets with culture war profits. There is no candidate C. You know, Iām seriously considering voting for Candidate B.ā is a brain damaged take, end of story.
Opinions like yours is what brought you BoJo and Brexit. Forgive me if I donāt want to entertain them across the pond.
A āveneer of civilityā is all thatās needed to buy your vote? A āveneer of civilityā over a fucking genocide? Listen to yourself, you sound so proud of that shit. .
Fuck that. You KNOW the truth about Biden and about the US political establishment and the only reason you vote for Biden is because you are too much of a coward to look reality in the face. You grab on to this fucking āveneerā like you are stix2your fingers in your ears and squeezing your eyes shut and shouting āAaah I canāt hear you LLALALLALALALAā, and then you act all sanctimonious like you are better people than Trump supporters. You are not.
And no, people believing a bunch of hokum and lies was what bought on Brexit and BoJo. Not very different from the copium you are smoking.
Thatās an awful large wall of text to tell everyone you havenāt listened to anything thatās gone on in many years. If you think Trump is about to somehow magically resolve this genocide that heās been actively egging on from the sidelines, please learn to read.
I do know the truth about the US political establishment, I fucking live here, you goon. And the truth is that until the civil war starts, we are reduced to voting for the lesser evil. Anything else is causing more active harm to ourselves and our fellow humans for no gain.
So yes, I will vote for Biden, because Iām not being presented a better option. Once the blood starts spilling on American soil that may end up a different story. But for right now? This both sides bullshit is actively killing people and making the entire world worse, both here and overseas.
I remember when Trump was in office, I remember what he said and did and what heās promised will happen next time. Iām not about to let that happen again. If my options are 40% evil or 99% evil Iām picking the 40% every time, no question, from a purely utilitarian viewpoint.
heās only giving you things you say with your friends inside of your living room, the only difference is heās got the balls to say it in front of you all and donāt have to sugar coat it at all.
Things like what, exactly? We must be hanging out in different living rooms.
If Trump was in my living room, Iād spit in his face. Heās so far removed from how I live my life, itās hard for me to even acknowledge people like him exist.
Biden is well past his prime, had a shitty performance last night, hate his record on Israel, but Iām still voting for him because heās not Trump and Iād prefer that our representative democracy continued. Moving to a braindead, functionally illiterate dictatorship just seems like an all-around worse move in every respect. Not sure about his chances, but whatever, thereās not really any other alternative at this point.
Can you tell me what makes you believe that Trump is or will be a dictator? Donāt use Jan 6th.
I can waste my time going through that exercise, but itās pretty clear to any thinking person that thatās what the plan is on the Republican side, just look at the words, rhetoric and actions theyāve been taking for the past 10+ years. Otherwise, youāre maliciously asking me to go through the mental effort of writing up an attack on Trump that youāve already decided to ignore and/or counter with some feeble bad faith argument. Youāre a waste of my time and everybody elseās.
Ah okayā¦ so youāre full of chit as per usual. Let me guess, Maddow is your favorite all-time commentator?
Why donāt YOU go ahead and write me up a 2-page essay on why Trump isnāt planning a dictatorship, cite your sources. Thatās essentially what youāre asking me to do and itās guaranteed youāll give a short, flippant remark that doesnāt actually address any of the issues brought up, basically wasting my time. Itāll be a bunch of whataboutism, gaslighting, misdirection, and BS, thatās the standard MO.
The answer is simple. Because of the U.S. Constitution. Itās not just a piece of paper.
Congrats on doing exactly what they said you would.
Thatās the only answer needed. No one is becoming a dictator in the U.S.
So youāre saying your preferred choice of the two wants to become a dictator but youāre fine with it because you think the constitution will stop him?
If thatās not the case why even cite the constitution.
He wants to ignore or terminate the constitution.
https://web.archive.org/web/20221204214848/https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/109449803240069864
Election fraud means the election would be voided and it would have to go to contingent election? I forget the process. I have no idea wtf Trump is talking about.
Iām not a, āMAGAā soldier. Quite frankly heās just the better option of the two.
Care you explain why heās better? Is it his business acumen? His morality? His honesty? His willingness to do whatās best for the American public? His faith in the bureaucracy that allows any large organization to work? His support of the legal framework of the country? His physical fitness? His intelligence? His past record as president? Honestly, Iām curious why you think heās the best option for this job.
Constitution only matters if it is being enforced. And 2017-2020 showed us that very few Republicans were willing to do that.
Currently SCOTUS is debating whether president has absolute immunity (in other words, if he can commit any crime, including murdering his political opponents) something that is absolutely against our constitution, yet they have to debate it.
chit /chÄt/
noun.
I looked it up too because thatās wild.
chit /CHit/ noun a short official note, memorandum, or voucher, typically recording a sum owed. "write out a chit for whatever you take from the drinks cupboard"How is it wild? Because you use it incorrectly in almost every comment you make?
Because Iāve never heard nor read someone use, āchitā instead of āshitā and come to find out itās an actual word (excluding chitchat) with multiple meanings.
Iām intentionally using, āchitāā¦ being that Iām Latino and if you ever heard a boater Latino say shit, it sounds like chit.
The more you know!
Thatās what happens when you think youāre more clever than you are. Be better.
Donāt use the time he instigated a coupe attempt as a reason?
Can you tell me why putting my hand on an electric burner that is red hot is a bad idea? Donāt use anyoneās past experiences being burned by hot objects.
Sure you could technically go into a complex explanation using physics as to why itās a bad idea, but why?
My defense is the U.S. Constitution. I donāt see it as even a possibility that anyone would attempt to become a dictator in the U.S.
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I agree, I dislike when congress gets bypassed.
The constitution is decided by the Supreme Court in the end. The American system of government makes the selection of justices political appointees for life. That is why you have Republican and Democrat justices. Political. So the constitution gets bent into any political shape according to power possession.
Donāt for a second believe that the United States canāt sleepwalk into a dictatorship. People are already describing Jan 6 as an ordinary tourist visit. What will it take for the public to see the danger with their own eyes.
Hmā¦ that makes sense. We slept walked into this clown world in the Western world. Good point.
I highly recommend āOn Tyranny: Twenty Lessons from the Twentieth Centuryā by historian Timothy Snyder If you canāt get a book or audio book the author also reads it on YouTube.
Hey, thanks for the recommendation!
The Constitution is a piece of paper and says whatever 6 Republicans think it says.
Regardless, SCOTUS has no actual enforcement mechanism. Whoever can order the guys with guns is in charge just like everywhere else in the world.
It can absolutely happen. Nothing stopping a republic from becoming a dictatorship. If it happened once in history, it will happen again. This thing in particular has happened multiple times. The US may show more resilience but in the end, it is a human system run by humans, and it will be broken by humans.
If inciting an attack on the capital and destabilizing the worlds oldest democracy doesnāt immediately discount Trump from your voting decisions then youāre braindead lol. Imagine trying to argue past that, despite 9 years of existing with Trump as a political figure.
What did he do to San Marino???
You right lmaooo. Thatās funny, I guess I should say oldest democracy with real world power.
Have you been paying attention to the details of Jan 6th? So far it looks like it was a setup, completely out of Trumpās control.
Before you respond, have you been paying attention to the details of Jan 6th?
The details like Trump saying he loved the insurrectionists? Yeah, I paid attention to that.
Lmao. Cite them sources or me saying Trump blows maggoty cum all over Melania is literally as true as that statement.
Yeah, sure. And what prompted trump to show up in DC in January 6th, which before 2021 was day that didnāt have any special meaning in US history?
So - ignoring the time he sent a mob to try and overthrow the US government, how about we use the fact that he literally said heād be a dictator?
Or maybe the fact that his legal defense against trying to overthrow the government was that the President is immune from all crimes. His lawyers even literally said he could have his political opponents murdered, and so long as the surviving politicians donāt impeach and convict him he canāt be held liable for it.
Theyāre arguing a legal framework under which he can murder the opposition, and then kill anyone that tries to remove him from office.
Lol
āDo not use an incredibly concrete exampleā
I just wanted to add that Iām pretty sure Trump is jealous that Putin has something that he doesnātā¦ owning an entire country.
He wants to be like Putin and Kim Jong Un and is playing some warped version of ākeeping up with the Jonesesā to the detriment of our entire country. Itās a disgusting display of self absorption I never thought possible.
Thatās literally it. Heās going to try to become a dictator so he can boost his fucking ego and not be āoutdoneā by someone else.
Source?
This is literally Biden and Coā¦ This includes Obama and Hilary. Obviously you have a source for this too, right? Surely you have literal videos of his speeches/rallies where he speaks like a dictator announcing heās going to jail and or kill his political opponents.
Personally, when Trump wins, I think he should definitely pull a Bukele and have all politicians on all sides investigated for corruption, including the DOJ, the FBI, and the CIA.
Russia-gate is and was all BSā¦ If youāre referring to that. Trumpās commentary of Putin was really no different than Kim Jong Un of North Korea. Also, the cold war is over. Hating Russia today just because politicians do, is mindless drone territory.
The only part of this you seem qualified to weigh in on.
His own words at 55 seconds. Typically the people who say āIāll only take power temporarilyā never give it back.
Like the camelās nose, once you let a little bit of dictatorship into your country, you soon find out there is no room left for democracy.
Only for one day, wink wink.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-hannity-dictator-authoritarian-presidential-election-f27e7e9d7c13fabbe3ae7dd7f1235c72
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2023/12/11/donald-trump-dictator-one-day-reelected/71880010007/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/06/donald-trump-sean-hannity-dictator-day-one-response-iowa-town-hall
Ohhā¦ I thought you meant from day one.
Yeah, I wish I was God for 1 day. Lots of cleaning up to do.
He told Hannity he would be dictator for one day. No dictator goes one day. One is too many to begin with.
Heitterslly said he would be.
Lol at supposedly asking an open question, while simultaneously stipulating that the open rebellion cannot be mentioned. Thatās not how open questions work.
He said he would in exactly those words.
explain why you think heās authoritarian, but donāt talk about that time he instigated a failed fascist coup
Iāll admit, if you move the goalposts like that it gets a lot harder to score.
Can you tell me why Hitler was a bad person? Donāt use the holocaust.
Persecution of male homosexuals, Jehovahās Witnesses, pacifists, the mentally ill / disabled, and political opponents. Stealing thousands of mostly Slavic children from their parents and having them adopted by ethnic Germans.
Not American, and hate Trump and Biden equally. I say vote Trump. Heās the slim shady of US politics - heās only giving you things you say with your friends inside of your living room, the only difference is heās got the balls to say it in front of you all and donāt have to sugar coat it at all.
So instead of avoiding your discomfort of acknowledging what the US is, just vote trump and let it be clear to everyone
Or not. It doesnāt matter what you do, Trump is winning anyway. You guys are going to have cheetos man for president whether you, or we, like it or not.
Yea the things my family who likes him says in the living room is mostly ignorant compilations of how they think the government works and dumb white trash racist garbage so no thanks.
My point was entirely that the US taken as a whole is white trash racist garbage, but ok.
So your logic is that supporting garbage is better than supporting the anti-garbage because it makes clear to everyone that you and everybody else are supporting garbage? Donāt you think voting Trump because āhe will winā is a self-fulfulling prophecy?
This person lives in London, that pretty much says everything you need to know about whether they should be weighing in on this situation.
Yeah homie, you tell yourself that itās YOUR SINGLE VOTE thatās going to. Make all the difference haha.
You got a loicense to be online bruv?
You got healthcare bro?
Ahh see the fatal flaw there is that you assume Biden is anti-garbage. Thatās your mistake, right there. But your tribalism wonāt allow you to admit that. So, feel free to respond if you like, but Iām out.
Trump is garbage. Biden is running against Trump. Therefore, Biden is the anti-garbage. Basic reasoning, man.
Jesus, this is third grade level. Best of luck to you dude.
I mean with sweep generalizations like that youād fit right in with the MAGA crowd, no wonder you like trump lol.
Thatās not the whole US, just mostly the south.
Nice try tankie Biden is still less embarassing than trump was
I work in Finance in London, lol, tankie is nice. You will keep saying what you said even after Biden shits his pants live on CNN. Do you fam, I dgaf.
And theyād still be correct, I would prefer a man who shits himself on live television every single day, over Trump. No contest. Iād vote in a potted cactus before I vote Trump. What the fuck is wrong with you.
I would vote for a cactus before either of them. We had a lettuce outlast a PM over here a short while ago. But you are blind if you see any fucking difference between them, dude.
Like, I was telling my 2 year old last night he could have the dinosaur Pjās or the elephant Pjās for bed. But it was IMPLICIT that he is going to bed.
Similarly, it is IMPLICIT that you and all other Americans are going to be exploited, and brown people are going to be killed, but you can pick the red guy to do it, or the blue guy.
And that is no excuse to explicitly support the far more vocal and exploitative of the two, cheering forth the exploitation and murder because āBoTh sIDeS aRe GoiNg tO DO iT!ā Fuck that. One side at least has the decency to appear publicly shameful of it. The other revels in it, where the cruelty is the point. If both sides are the same then Iām going to pick the side with a veneer of civility because to do otherwise is to give up entirely on any hope for a future. If both sides arenāt the same then we all know which color is going to end up on the right side of history, that isnāt even a question. So regardless how IMPLICIT it is that America is fucked up shit creek, itās also EXPLICIT that the average voter doesnāt get much of a say in it and we can only either vote for ineffective neoliberalism, or vote to actively set our own faces on fire.
āI hate the way everything is. Candidate A will make everything mostly stay the same, shitty garbage that Iām used to. Candidate B will make everything that I hate several times worse, as well as present new and novel problems weāve never even known about before now, as well as inventing new non-issues to pad his own pockets with culture war profits. There is no candidate C. You know, Iām seriously considering voting for Candidate B.ā is a brain damaged take, end of story.
Opinions like yours is what brought you BoJo and Brexit. Forgive me if I donāt want to entertain them across the pond.
A āveneer of civilityā is all thatās needed to buy your vote? A āveneer of civilityā over a fucking genocide? Listen to yourself, you sound so proud of that shit. .
Fuck that. You KNOW the truth about Biden and about the US political establishment and the only reason you vote for Biden is because you are too much of a coward to look reality in the face. You grab on to this fucking āveneerā like you are stix2your fingers in your ears and squeezing your eyes shut and shouting āAaah I canāt hear you LLALALLALALALAā, and then you act all sanctimonious like you are better people than Trump supporters. You are not.
And no, people believing a bunch of hokum and lies was what bought on Brexit and BoJo. Not very different from the copium you are smoking.
Thatās an awful large wall of text to tell everyone you havenāt listened to anything thatās gone on in many years. If you think Trump is about to somehow magically resolve this genocide that heās been actively egging on from the sidelines, please learn to read.
I do know the truth about the US political establishment, I fucking live here, you goon. And the truth is that until the civil war starts, we are reduced to voting for the lesser evil. Anything else is causing more active harm to ourselves and our fellow humans for no gain.
So yes, I will vote for Biden, because Iām not being presented a better option. Once the blood starts spilling on American soil that may end up a different story. But for right now? This both sides bullshit is actively killing people and making the entire world worse, both here and overseas.
I remember when Trump was in office, I remember what he said and did and what heās promised will happen next time. Iām not about to let that happen again. If my options are 40% evil or 99% evil Iām picking the 40% every time, no question, from a purely utilitarian viewpoint.
We fought a war so we didnāt have to hear your shit takes.
Apparently you didnāt win hard enough, pookie.
Things like what, exactly? We must be hanging out in different living rooms.
If Trump was in my living room, Iād spit in his face. Heās so far removed from how I live my life, itās hard for me to even acknowledge people like him exist.
Iāve never seen someone so blatantly tell on themselves as you have in this comment.
Yah fun things to talk about like āhey, isnāt it interesting how you have less medical rights now.ā Jfc