• MeaanBeaan@lemmy.world
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    While I whole heartedly disagree with the practice of circumsizing babies. (babies can’t consent therfore an unnecessary procedure is just flat out unethical) It’s not really true to say science shows that the foreskin is erogenous or even that circumcision affects sexual pleasure.

    There is a bit of conflicting data out there so there is still some debate over the fact but right now the data leans heavily toward there being little to no adverse affects on sexual pleasure. And in fact some anecdotal evidence actually seems to show that the opposite may be true; that circumsized penises may actually be more sensitive to sexual stimuli.

    Again though, I can’t stress enough how much I believe circumsicion is wrong.

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      there isn’t conflicting data, there’s people without foreskins not knowing what they’ve lost and people with foreskins who don’t know how to jerk it properly.

      as someone with a foreskin i can tell you with the utmost certainty that it is an erogenous zone and makes the experience infinitely better, it is unfathomable to me how circumcized people are even capable of masturbation and intercourse, it’s like trying to swim without feet.

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        Wasn’t it the point of religious nutter ? To prevent kids and people in general from masturbating because they think it is sin ? IMO it ls very obvious that it reduces sexual pleasure.

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      You’ve gotta be batshit insane to deny such an obvious fact. You gonna show me a study that says the sky may or may not be blue next?

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          Like how we don’t say that blue glass is blue because it’s really just the light that’s blue?

          Appearing blue when looked at is what it means for something to be blue.

          If you’re gonna be that type of pedantic, just jump straight to “nothing has color but light”.

          • iaMLoWiQ@lemmy.ca
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            Sounds to me that lemmings never go outside and converse with people. Damn people here are pedantic as a motherfucker. The only joke you know is the one staring back at you in the mirror.

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              Or your joke was just so unfunny that it wasn’t recognizable as a joke and was mistaken for your honest opinion.

              If no one laughed at your joke, maybe it’s because it wasn’t funny.

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          No, it appears to be blue due to blue light being scattered more than longer wavelengths.

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        Yeaaah. Seems I’ve unintentionally sited some weird fucking guy. That’ll teach me to not look into the writers of a study before I post about it. Fucking yikes…

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        Here’s some posts from that weird fetishist cult community btw. These guys are obsessed… maybe Brian Morris’ alt accounts lol

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      It’s not really true to say science shows that the foreskin is erogenous or even that circumcision affects sexual pleasure.

      https://bjui-journals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1464-410X.2006.06685.x

      “The glans of the circumcised penis is less sensitive to fine touch than the glans of the uncircumcised penis. The transitional region from the external to the internal prepuce is the most sensitive region of the uncircumcised penis and more sensitive than the most sensitive region of the circumcised penis. Circumcision ablates the most sensitive parts of the penis.”

      https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23374102/

      "This study confirms the importance of the foreskin for penile sensitivity, overall sexual satisfaction, and penile functioning. Furthermore, this study shows that a higher percentage of circumcised men experience discomfort or pain and unusual sensations as compared with the uncircumcised population. Before circumcision without medical indication, adult men, and parents considering circumcision of their sons, should be informed of the importance of the foreskin in male sexuality. "

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      Heads up, that source is written by Brian J. Morris, who is rather infamous for more or less having a circumcision fetish, and has a habit of peddling shitty studies meant to skew cultural acceptance of circumcision. Nine times out of ten, when people post pro-circumcision studies, they’re from him.

      https://en.intactiwiki.org/wiki/Circlist

      Take this above link with a grain of salt, it is literally from inact wiki, but still.

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      The studies around this are very often heavily biased.

      The main reason it was pushed in the states in the first place was because of an anti-masturbatory craze.

      Growing up (like 25 years ago) it was a bit weird how lotion was so strongly shorthand for masturbation in American TV and movies. Didn’t really get it until I learned a lot of circumcised guys prefer or even require lotion for masturbation.

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        I’m circumsized, but apparently they didn’t go too short, as I’ve never needed lotion to jerk off. I would hate to get it in the urethra anyway…

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      Curious study. I personally only have my self as a test subject, so it’s quite subjective, however I use the foreskin quite a bit for stimulation, not really as an erogenous zone, more of a way to slide it in, it also helps prevent lubricants from drying up, since without at least spit it just hurts. It’s REALLY sensitive under there and fucking hurts when rubbed by just about anything else, if I didn’t have foreskin, it would have to become significantly more numb before I could rejoin society. Actual sex might not be as affected, but masturbation as I know it would cease to be.

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        I’m circumcised, and my glans is the least sensitive flesh on my body.

        When I scrape gently with a toothpick, I can feel it more clearly on the bottom of the heel of my foot than I can on the head of my penis.

        It’s supposed to be ultra sensitive, yet the only way I can determine it’s being touched is visually, or by sensing the vibrations of contact deeper in the shaft.

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          Damn, wouldn’t think I’d be that insensitive. Yea no for me, just pulling back the foreskin and putting it back into my pants as is kinda hurts.

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            Yes it really blew my mind when I actually did the experiment. I suspect it’s the same for others as well. Until I tested it, I wouldn’t have predicted it at all.

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        That’s really interesting actually. Might be why there’s reports of things being more sensitive after adult circumsion. You’re removing a protective layer that’s been covering that super sensitive part of you all your life. All of a sudden it’s gone and now that part is exposed.

        This is gonna be a silly anology but I wonder if it’s anything like playing guitar. When you first start, your fingertips hurt a bunch but as you play you build up calluses in addition to the fingertips just becoming partially numb so it stops hurting as much.

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          If I remember correctly, the top layers of the glans keratinize (in a similar way to your hands may form callouses) causing a long term loss in sensitivity. Adult circumcisions are probably more sensitive post op because the glans is left completely exposed when it was once covered and hasn’t had the time to adapt. I’m uncircumcised and the thought of boxers brushing up against my bits while my heads’ exposed sounds fucking awful haha

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        I mean. I provided an actual source for my statement with aggregated data supporting my point. You, however, have not.

        Sounds like you need to be educated.

        And also the frenulum is not the foreskin.

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          And also the frenulum is not the foreskin.

          While the other user hasn’t explained why it is relevant, they are correct in that it is relevant. This is because circumcision usually removes the frenulum, or at least a large chunk of it. And it’s downright criminal because the frenulum is very sensitive. What little left I have is the most sensitive part of mine.

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            Brian Morris is a proven fraud

            Enlighten us with some sources, you debate deficient dickfuck. Who the fuck do you think you are?

            Can you refute any of the points made without calling something a fallacy? It’s glaringly obvious you have no fucking idea how to begin to behave.

            It’s really unfortunate because I agree with you about circumcision, and yet you’re such a huge cunt full of shit. You need to fuck off and go touch grass. And before you just cry “ad hominem”, I’m not debating you about anything, I’m only attacking you. You’re not worth the time or effort to even consider having an educated argument. You’ve failed to provide any SHRED of a source for anything.

            Science points to the foreskin being…

            Show us where science says that, because honestly, it’s big “Ancient Astronaut theorists” energy.

            Fuck off and chortle our collective balls, you absolute husk of a cunt.

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              You sure make a lot of requests and claims for someone that created an account just for this post. And just to clarify, pointing out fallacies IS a valid argument. You don’t get to spit out shit and expect people to accept it at face value.

            • fsxylo@sh.itjust.works
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              I think I’ve had the misfortune of enduring them before. They aren’t even an Internet troll, because that requires some level of sentience.