One of the wildest anti-communist lies I’ve ever seen was a comment on RevLeftRadio’s episode on Che Guevara. Some clown made the claim that after the revolution ended, Che would travel around Cuba on his motorcycle and just murder random people for fun like some deranged serial killer.
Shit like this clearly demonstrates how utterly pointless it is for current day self-described “leftists” to denounce past communist movements. It doesn’t matter how much you insist that “we’re not like those ebil red fash aUtHoRiTaRiAns”, the people who oppose you are going to just make shit up from thin air to discredit you no matter what.
My favourite anti-communist trope is the made up quote attributed to a famous communist.
Lenin’s “useful idiots”, Stalin’s “one million is a statistic” and “what matters is who counts the votes”. There’s also a supposed Che quote about how killing people made him feel good.
Just the most moustache-twirling maniacal-cackling cartoon villain stuff.
I didn’t know those Stalin quotes were made up. Perhaps I didn’t investigate it because it’s easy to read a correct meaning into them, unlike the Nazi quotes people give Lenin.
It’s like Stalin’s “No person, no problem” quote which is completely correct from a Marxist standpoint but removed from context and refracted through anticommunist mythology, goes from sociological first principal to endorsement for wanton murder. Mao also has one about the inevitability of death that experiences the same effect.
Stalin personally executing people for interupting him and torturing animals half to death and then feeding them to make a point about control is a big one. I also heard someone say that Karl Marx would walk around killing people for wearing shoes in the 1870s, assumed it was a joke but they were deadly serious, the brainworms are genuinely beyond parody.
Supposedly, he actually had a plan emulating the Great Leap Forward by first generating large amounts of income by exports of agricultural produce, to then rapidly industrialize the country. Far from a primitivist view. It was more about speedrunning development of productive forces in fact.
In 1976, the CPK adopted a four-year plan for the country’s development, which in almost comical nationalist one-upsmanship over China was called the “Super Great Leap Forward”. The main target was to double rice production in the years 1977–1980 so that Cambodia could export $1.4 billion worth of agricultural goods. Ninety percent of that was to be rice sold to its traditional buyers (Hong Kong, Singapore and African countries), with Thailand a vital market for other products. The profit would be used to buy the machinery and raw materials needed to achieve modern (mechanised) agriculture within 10–15 years and modern industry within 15–20 years.
Sorry, but that Pol Pot defense falls flat. Wishing one can do stuff is not materialist. It is at best idealist. Pol Pot didn’t take material considerations in account. Especially at the market situations at that point agricultural exports for cash crops would not have enabled enough money income to “speedrun industrialization”. However as you correctly write rice was the major thing was focused on, which is not a cash crop. This means that the surplus generated per person would be low compared to alternative settings. So even going from that starting point it isn’t “a plan”, but a wish. Wishing to double four times the production of one crop within four years is absurd, especially when you are talking about labour intense crops (which rice is). The geography of Kamodia is also not well suited for large scale cash crop production (in the 1970s).
Pol Pot was inspired in part in some degrowth theories and satirical understanding of dependency theory, which states that peripheral countries are actively “underdeveloped” by the imperial core. That was one of the big reasons for trying to go as self-sufficient as some Red Khmer plans tried to be.
Kambodia, a US ally, was also getting support from China at some point in time. Mainly cause China wanted to prevent a Soviet-Vietnamese encircling of their border and used the Vietnamese-Kambodian conflict to get more independence from the Soviet political sphere. China’s (more correct the ZK of the CPC) aim with that was not only slightly more independence, but also better relations to the US and UK, which means capital import, technology import and knowledge import in addition to a few other bilateral contracts (i.e. military support which only ended after Tian’anmen in 1989, when the public opinion in the West turned on China and it became a realistically opponent compared to the Soviet Union which shortly after was broken up).
Pol Pot was not communist, he wasn’t even left communist (looking at his practice, the structure of decision making and the plans within the country). While plenty of things including anarchism, communalism (Bookchin/Öcalan) are compatible with communism idealism an non materialism is not.
One of the wildest anti-communist lies I’ve ever seen was a comment on RevLeftRadio’s episode on Che Guevara. Some clown made the claim that after the revolution ended, Che would travel around Cuba on his motorcycle and just murder random people for fun like some deranged serial killer.
Shit like this clearly demonstrates how utterly pointless it is for current day self-described “leftists” to denounce past communist movements. It doesn’t matter how much you insist that “we’re not like those ebil red fash aUtHoRiTaRiAns”, the people who oppose you are going to just make shit up from thin air to discredit you no matter what.
My favourite anti-communist trope is the made up quote attributed to a famous communist.
Lenin’s “useful idiots”, Stalin’s “one million is a statistic” and “what matters is who counts the votes”. There’s also a supposed Che quote about how killing people made him feel good. Just the most moustache-twirling maniacal-cackling cartoon villain stuff.
I didn’t know those Stalin quotes were made up. Perhaps I didn’t investigate it because it’s easy to read a correct meaning into them, unlike the Nazi quotes people give Lenin.
It’s like Stalin’s “No person, no problem” quote which is completely correct from a Marxist standpoint but removed from context and refracted through anticommunist mythology, goes from sociological first principal to endorsement for wanton murder. Mao also has one about the inevitability of death that experiences the same effect.
Stalin personally executing people for interupting him and torturing animals half to death and then feeding them to make a point about control is a big one. I also heard someone say that Karl Marx would walk around killing people for wearing shoes in the 1870s, assumed it was a joke but they were deadly serious, the brainworms are genuinely beyond parody.
In his defense he was in goblin mode
True, also nothing works up an appetite for scones and tea on the Isle of Wight like summary executions of those damned bougie shoe-wearers
Pol Pot supporters have entered the chat. All two of them.
At most Pol Pot was some sort of anarcho-primitivist (degrowther). No reasonable communist is anti-industrialization or education.
Supposedly, he actually had a plan emulating the Great Leap Forward by first generating large amounts of income by exports of agricultural produce, to then rapidly industrialize the country. Far from a primitivist view. It was more about speedrunning development of productive forces in fact.
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Sorry, but that Pol Pot defense falls flat. Wishing one can do stuff is not materialist. It is at best idealist. Pol Pot didn’t take material considerations in account. Especially at the market situations at that point agricultural exports for cash crops would not have enabled enough money income to “speedrun industrialization”. However as you correctly write rice was the major thing was focused on, which is not a cash crop. This means that the surplus generated per person would be low compared to alternative settings. So even going from that starting point it isn’t “a plan”, but a wish. Wishing to double four times the production of one crop within four years is absurd, especially when you are talking about labour intense crops (which rice is). The geography of Kamodia is also not well suited for large scale cash crop production (in the 1970s).
Pol Pot was inspired in part in some degrowth theories and satirical understanding of dependency theory, which states that peripheral countries are actively “underdeveloped” by the imperial core. That was one of the big reasons for trying to go as self-sufficient as some Red Khmer plans tried to be.
Kambodia, a US ally, was also getting support from China at some point in time. Mainly cause China wanted to prevent a Soviet-Vietnamese encircling of their border and used the Vietnamese-Kambodian conflict to get more independence from the Soviet political sphere. China’s (more correct the ZK of the CPC) aim with that was not only slightly more independence, but also better relations to the US and UK, which means capital import, technology import and knowledge import in addition to a few other bilateral contracts (i.e. military support which only ended after Tian’anmen in 1989, when the public opinion in the West turned on China and it became a realistically opponent compared to the Soviet Union which shortly after was broken up).
Pol Pot was not communist, he wasn’t even left communist (looking at his practice, the structure of decision making and the plans within the country). While plenty of things including anarchism, communalism (Bookchin/Öcalan) are compatible with communism idealism an non materialism is not.