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An idling gas engine may be annoyingly loud, but that’s the price you pay for having WAY less torque available at a standstill.

  • LordSinguloth@lemmy.ca
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    5 months ago

    Thats not very accurate, ICE motors aren’t quite out dated just yet. Electric has a long way to go with the storage and refuel cycle

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      5 months ago

      That’s really the only thing holding EV’s back. If we can get away from lithium batteries and get something like graphene batteries (one can dream), range, recharge, etc. everything immediately get’s better.
      But electric engines are far superior.

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      5 months ago

      What’s wrong with storage and refuelling? We got two electric cars, they charge well.

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        5 months ago

        Time really, it takes me 5 minutes to fuel for 400 miles, it takes most ev owners much longer.

        I work with a lot of EV I’m not just some hater. I wish they could charge faster or hold more range, I drive 1000 miles a week for work and can’t spend 5 hours a week at a charger sadly.

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          5 months ago

          1000 miles a week is under 130 a day.

          Just charge it at home every day and you’re good.

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            5 months ago

            Sometimes it’s 500 miles in a day. And in rural zones

            My home won’t allow for fast charging. Nor can I afford to replace my reliable vehicle with an ev that won’t have the other features I need (a bed, ground clearance, 4x4, etc)

            I’m glad you’re privileged though

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              5 months ago

              Your home doesn’t need to charge fast. Just charge overnight. In Europe, after a few hours on a three phases plug your car will be full, after a night on a single phase as well. In the US, a night on an ordinary plug should give you enough range to do more than average stuff or at least get to the next fast charger.

              To be honest, if you truly need a truck that’s of course an issue as you picked the biggest status symbol of them all, which makes it the most expensive type of car. There are plenty EVs with AWD and some ground clearance, maybe check them out and consider a small trailer if you need to transport your stuff?

              However, you seem to already have decided to dislike EVs, so I doubt you’d be enjoying it. If you’re bent on hating something, chances are you’ll find a reason to do so.

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                5 months ago

                I’ve been clear it’s a work truck, not a status symbol

                And I work wholesale auto auctions. I love EV I wish I could buy one.

                But burying our heads in the sand and pretending it has 0 drawbacks is what got us into this fossil fuel mess in the first place.

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                  5 months ago

                  I’m not saying your truck in particular is a status symbol, I’m saying trucks are status symbols and therefore generally expensive. If you’re in the US, it’s hard to find something like a Honda Acty and you’ll always pay for the machine to be oversized.

                  I’m also not saving EVs have no drawbacks at all. The drawbacks they have are, however, manageable. A car will always be a compromise, and the fact that electric cars have to be charged is something that can be dealt with.

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          5 months ago

          So, I get where you’re going, but first: it takes much longer, but I do it at home while I’m asleep, so that doesn’t really count. It’s more the opposite, I really enjoy not having to stop at gas stations anymore. You just never wake up to an empty car anymore.

          Then, for longer trips, it obviously takes more time to recharge than to refuel. But as a family of five, we had breaks before we had an ev. Last time we made a longer trip, we picked up my inlaws and wanted to visit some other family members that were about one and a half charge stops away. We took three breaks because someone had to pee, someone was hungry or someone wanted whatever. If you’re a flying sales person that that wants to drive 2000 km in a day it’ll obviously be annoying. For anybody else that takes some reasonable stops along the way, I doubt it changes much. Just stop the car at a charger and grab a coffee at the next supermarket. Once you had that you can usually drive again.

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            5 months ago

            Thats great, I’m glad it works for you and your family. But that anecdote doesn’t make it work for everyone yet.

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              5 months ago

              You know, it actually does. Taking a 20 minute break every 3 hours doesn’t hurt anybody badly. That’s all it takes to no longer locally burn fossil fuels and reduce the emissions significantly. I get the problem that electric cars are too expensive and I understand that some people can’t afford them. But this entitlement of “my precious 20 minutes that I can spend doing some situps or have a coffee are too much to ask from me, so I’d rather keep burning carbon” is just nonsense. People should walk more and bike more and use more trains. However, if none of that works, electric cars are a working alternative to produce much less carbon dioxide. But if a slight inconvenience of taking not even the recommended pauses while driving is already too much to ask, this planet is fucked I guess.