No real investigation. No punishment. Same Shit Different Day.
I can’t belive I’m saying this but Josh Haley fuckin grilled the fucker
People have died due to the greed and corruption of the leadership of Boeing. The people at the top have in fact gotten huge financial rewards by taking actions that were likely to kill people. There is no mechanism in US society to hold these people accountable. Are they going to get put in prison? Nope! Are they going to be PERSONALLY fined? Nope!
I really dislike how in Chinese society people are not able to criticize the government. I hope one day, everyone everywhere will have free speech. It’s unfortunate to say this, but in China, this would be dealt with severely and and with impact. I am not saying their mechanism is right, but the US has no mechanism at all. We all know nothing will happen, especially because most of the deaths were foreigners. It’s disgusting and makes the US look bad.
This is why ancient humans invented mob justice. When the laws don’t work, order still needs to be imposed.
Exactly this. In ancient Roman times, emperor Caracalla was infamous for having many of his enemies outright killed. One of these was the brother of a soldier who was assigned to his personal guard at the Rhine border regions. When Caracalla got off his horse for a piss, he got a gladius thrusted between his ribs. For all his might and power, he very much brought that on himself.
Sometimes people like that soldier are the last line of justice in the world.
Weird way to say you assassinated them
We know, they’re fucking dead.
You spelled assassinate wrong, dude
You are invited to a meeting Agent X/Whistleblower Coffee chat.
Going? Yes/No/Maybe
Could this just be an email? I’ve already got enough on my plate.
My indecisive ass would still hit “maybe”
I don’t know
Can you repeat the question?
You’re not the boss of me now!
And you’re not so big!
Location: outside 7th floor
Retaliated against is a funny way to say killed
Imagine killing a man and then saying this…
“I may have committed some light murder.”
Not a big deal, he was kinda asking for it!
Look what he’s wearing!
Points to whistle
Prolly let his other CEO hit it without any complaints!
“You have a duty to demand the highest safety standards… and [ensure] that ‘speak up’ in fact means speak up, not shut up, as it is meant all too often.”
Tell that to Snowden, Assange, Manning etc.
Obligatory fuck Assange, no protection for Russian Agents.
yawn. The 2016 media ops are really paying dividends.
Haha no. He selectively edited Manning’s stuff to frame the US Army long before 2016.
“Frame” the US Army…? Bro the great satan doesn’t need any framing, its sins are dripping from its fangs and claws.
Then why did he edit videos he used to accuse the Army of war crimes? If they don’t need to be framed, why fuck with the evidence?
Idgaf, death to America
Fuck Snowden too, no respect for him running to Russia. If you think it’s your moral obligation to break the law, you should be willing to take the consequences. You can’t run off to an enemy state that does much worse things than what you were willing to break the law to expose. I have zero doubt Snowden is a traitor and gave Russia whatever they wanted. It’s possible he started off well meaning, but I wouldn’t be shocked if he did it for Russia all along. His original intentions don’t matter now either way, he had a high clearance and Russia now knows everything he learned with that clearance beyond even the scope of his “whistleblowing”.
I thought he was trying to go somewhere with no extradition treaty with the US and was laid over in Russia when his passport was suspended. It’s kind of outlined here but I could see how that could be concocted and I just want to believe he was better than a Russia mole.
Fuck the US and any other governments that are doing this dodgy shit that requires whistleblowing in the first place.
I mean, if I felt morally obliged to disclose illegal or immoral practices to the public, I’d be sure to run so somewhere they can’t get me. If there aren’t proper whistleblower protections, you gotta make your own.
Maybe don’t throw your whistleblowers in a jail and let them rot for life, and you will avoid defections to another country.
Can you blame the guy to not want to die in a dark cell for showing the world that your own government is keeping a lot of tabs on you without your knowledge?
He tried to go to other countries, but none of them wanted to take him in except Russia because of what he knew.
So it’s either die in a cell in the US, or live a somewhat free man in Russia.
The choice is clear.
So demand that your government do better and get behind the people that shows you how your government fucks you over.
There would have been a lot of pressure to get him released and would have kept what he revealed talked about and more pressure to end that as well. He’s just a little bitch that wanted to play hero and or a Russian agent.
Guys I found the gatorade abuser.
Spoken like a true keyboard warrior.
Slurp slurp slurp 👢😛
Replace the boot with a dick and you have you and Russia
Haha yeah imagine sucking dick like some kind of GAY.
Snowden is one of the bravest and most heroic Americans alive today, and he is alive because he was smart enough to take precautions instead of letting himself get Epstein’d in some blacksite, like you want. What kinda idiot gets himself killed or imprisoned when he could be free? What the fuck kind of logic is it that says you have to submit to the judgement of a brazenly unjust and oppressive regime?
It’s thanks to him that we’re at least aware of the movements of the enemy of the public that is the US state. Braver than any troop. Die mad about it.
There is nothing inherently gay about sucking dick. Snowden is a traitor, nothing heroic about him. Ohh so brave running to papa Putin after stealing US Intel. Brave would be facing the consequences of his actions because he felt what he was so important it was worth it. All this blacksite bullshit is a strawman. It’s far more likely he’s a Russian agent than it is he would have been disappeared and or killed.
There is nothing inherently gay about sucking dick.
Oh, excuse me.
Haha yeah imagine sucking dick like some kind of WOMAN.
Snowden is a traitor, nothing heroic about him
The traitors are the people in government brazenly violating the law and persecuting the heroes who reveal their crimes to the people. Real treason is treason against the people, treason against a government that is oppressing the people is heroism.
All this blacksite bullshit is a strawman. It’s far more likely he’s a Russian agent than it is he would have been disappeared and or killed.
Lol.
Unlike you, Snowden was actually intelligent enough to know what would happen to him if he didn’t make arrangements for his freedom. I have no idea how it’s possible to be as naive as you, but I guess when you’re completely focused on licking the boot, you don’t have much awareness of anything other than that. In fact, your main problem with Snowden is that he made you aware of uncomfortable truths, you’d rather remain in comfortable ignorance so you don’t have to worry about the fact that you no longer have civil liberties. Just don’t move and you’ll never notice the chains, right? You’re too cowardly to face the truth.
He didnt run to russia you moron, his passport was canceled by the USA while he was in russia. And his only demand for giving himself up to the US and go to trial was that he was allowed a public interest defense.
FUCK THE USA. You are licking the boots of a surveillance state, and snowden has more backbone than your entire familytree
Ok keep garbling Russia’s dick.
I have noticed that if you say anything bad about snowden on reddit or now the Fediverse, you quickly get down-voted a lot. I am starting to think this is coordinated somehow.
He’s a whistleblower. Corrupt corpos/countries hate whistleblowers. Reddit/Lemmy users hate corrupt corpos/countries. There.
It’s as easy as that, no need to bring out conspiracies.
You are probably right. It’s just the speed and amount that got me thinking otherwise. Lemmy is a lot more popular then I thought.
No, it’s just about the dumbest thing I’ve read today. So far.
Deploy our great bot army!
For what purpose, Sir?
Downvote any post on any social media platform that is critical of Snowden!
As you command, SIr!
It’s not coordination when sheep decide to bleat the same thing based off headlines. Most people want to believe he wasn’t a mole because that fits the little guy hero narrative better.
Most people want to believe he wasn’t a mole
This sheep has never seen anyone provide any kind of evidence for such claims.
He could not have gained access from his position to the data compiled. His story on how he did doesn’t add up to anyone with security clearance. The real way it was accomplished isn’t going to be divulged either. The NSA isn’t going to publicly explain whatever avenue was found.
You see that this is trust me bro, no matter how correct you may be, right?
And yet, still CEO I see…Sorry for misinformation - see comment below.
And apparently NOT in jail at this time
Military-industrial contracts… I doubt he will ever face consequences that he does not choose for himself. :-|
Better people…
No they fired him, but he’s staying on till they find a replacement. (He did get millions of dollars to boot though)
Oh… I thought they had someone already and this was him, sorry - I edited my comment to apologize for misinformation, thanks for the update!:-)
well anyways he will probably become CEO of another company or find another way to float to the top. his greed might even be seen as a positive trait by other companies.
How the f do you even start killing people for this? I mean the PR crisis that follows an assassination makes everything way worse doesn’t it?
There are people who have a lot riding on the line going up (often the same people in high positions in the organisation)
All these whistleblowers make the line go down
Of the people psychopathic enough to accumulate enough wealth to have a significant stake in Boeing, there’s going to be a percentage who are full-psychopath.
It’s what unabated greed looks like
Let’s also not forget those lucrative NASA and Military contracts. A lot of private and public money riding on this.
You only kill a whistleblower if you’re confident that they would have said something worse in court. It’s almost guaranteed to be front page news.
Exactly this. Whatever those whistleblowers knew must have been so damning, that committing two murders was better publicity.
It’s what he’s paid for
Bad PR comes and he takes the fall of stepping down with an exit package then everyone is happy
Nobody’s fucking happy about any of this. They killed a person for speaking up about something that affects almost everyone.
I suppose I am a bit more cynical than you
Quick, prepare the wrist-slapping fines!
oh boy their wrist is gonna hurt so much. that is what you get for killing/endangering lives of many people to gain couple more billions on your already existing billions. Go MURICAH!
The total energy of the strong finger wagging that follows this admission will be enough to power a flashlight for 2 milliseconds.
Much too harsh for this gold-domed “too important to really hold to account” CEO. Perhaps a mildly stern, yet askance look (or two, if the crowd rumbles for more)
These fellows are going to get slammed and blasted by Congress, it might spoil up to a few minutes of their time on the yacht.
Maybe even Torched!
United States Senate be like pull those sleeves up slightly, bad boy!
Do you mean “award them more fat defense contacts??” Cuz that’s what we’re gonna do!
why are people in this thread acting as if he’s just admitted to ordering hits on whistleblowers
Might have something to do with the whistle blowers dying mysteriously
To be fair only the first was a surprise mysterious suicide.
The second was sick for years and died because of that.Tell me again why we need to be fair to executives that murdered 340+ people to save money on training and certifications for their new plane?
Because it’s the right thing to do.
Well if we were treating them fairly they’d be in prison.
Absolutely! And we wouldn’t have to speculate or exaggerate or misrepresent to do so.
Now we’re on the same page!
Even the 1st wasn’t that mysterious if you read more than headlines. John very likely did kill himself. He had already lost his civil suit against Boeing for damages. Was trying to appeal that case. It very likely wasn’t going anywhere. Because if he had a case Boeing could have quietly settled before the initial trial.
The case also had nothing to do with current Boeing practices as John retired in 2017. John was suing for defamation.
Is thia a PR release from Boeing lol
This is not correct, he was in normal health until after he became a whistleblower and then he got MRSA and died in 2 weeks.
That shit happens, that’s almost exactly how one of my grandparents died but minus the whistleblower part.
Yeah it’s pretty low odds though.
We will never know if Boeing did it… But we do know how these companies are, so I am just assuming this they did until proven otherwise.
You can always count the corpo trash to do crime… 24/7
1% CEO of one of the largest companies in the military industrial complex.
We obviously haven’t read the article, yet feel entitled to comment on it all the same! /s bc not having read it myself, I just presume that’s the case 🤣.
More importantly, why are you surprised at that?
Social media is more about feelings than facts, especially when it comes to precision in the details - the barrier to speak is very low, on purpose, to allow us to vent our frustrations at the world being unfair and corrupt and twisted.
In this case it is fairly understandable - he is a very bad man who did very bad things. He has now admitted to a subset of the badness, and people wish that he had gone further to admit it all, so people talk as if that were the case.
Again, that’s just my guess, but we cannot control the world, only ourselves.
This just shows you how much of amateur this guy. If he doesn’t know you just lie lie lie what’s he doing being a CEO?
He is not lying because his counsel advised him that trick won’t here. They are doing damage minimization.
This clown should be prosecuted for murder tho
Seriously! Maybe he’s trying to play the honesty card in hopes that people see it as being transparent and we should trust him, but this is admission of guilt and willful negligence that lead to death. The guy should be charged and locked up.
David Calhoun apologized to the families of Boeing crash victims, saying the manufacturer was “totally committed” to future saftey improvements, as he began testimony at the committee on Tuesday.
Cue South Park
investment bankerBP oil spill apology.Also, “saftey”? Seriously, Independent?
Do you mean South Park’s BP apology? The investment banker is the “…and it’s gone!” thing.
I did mean the BP apology, good catch.
That’s the… first… thing… that’s… ever gone wrong.
In these comments:
CEO admits to whistleblowers being disciplined at work (which everyone knew, he just is saying it)… suddenly becomes He admitted murder!
Sad. If you make up a reality because you feel that way, you are no better then they are.
Seriously? No better than the giant megacorp that caused many, many deaths, and other horrible shit they’ve caused or enabled, for thinking they might have caused another death or two in retaliation for exposing their crimes? Fuck off with that shit
He doesn’t have to admit murder but it is right in front of your face. Someone very connected to Boeing murdered them.
Another thing is the kind of person and even entity/organization it takes to discipline a whistleblower for literally looking out for the public wellbeing such in this case. It takes a sociopath with no regard for human life. If they would discipline them at work what else would they do in private?
Guy 1 who suddenly committed suicide? sure. Guy 2 would need about a hundred people to keep the secret and that’s just not happening.
Someone very connected to Boeing murdered them.
Yeah, that second guy, they went all biological right? I mean they gave him the flu to get him to the hospital. Once there, and in his weakened state, they sprang MRSA on him! That way, when they caused the parting shot with a stroke, no one would suspect!
Conspiracy is a lot of fun! Lets add aliens. I mean the whole reason why this is all so hush hush is the government is in a contract with the Aliens from Alpha Centauri and these people stumbled onto it. It is so obvious!
I agree with you but this is not as impossible as you want it to seem. You can give someone flu like symptoms with a live vaccine shot. MRSA is touch spread and a stroke is just a blocked blood vessel in the brain. Easily done with an injection of something in the carotid. The ridiculous part is the complexity and number of people who would need to keep a secret.
All of those things were/are just another Tuesday class for your average KGB spook, not impossible at all. In a 100+ Billion dollar defense contractor I imagine you could find more than one person willing to shut up and take the giant bag, hell you can buy a congressman to sell out a whole community for like 10k
No that’s the problem. Once someone is in a hospital there’s a paper trail a mile long. If you wanted to assassinate someone then the hospital is the last place you would do it. You’d need to pay off a hundred people and hope none of them ever decides to talk. Or you start killing them off but then how long does it take big data FBI to connect those dots?
If guy number 2 was somehow DOA at the hospital or already infected with something irreversible then you’d have a case. But flu to hospital MRSA case to Stroke just isn’t how anyone who cared about remaining free and anonymous would kill someone.
One person. That’s all it takes.
They find the person shopping or something, routine. Spritz some flu into their face. (Well, more discretely, but yeah.)
They go to the hospital, pay the guy a visit when, spritz some MRSA on his linens or something. Plenty of opportunity. Even better, spritz it on everyone’s linens so it looks like an outbreak.
Slip in, visit the guy and inject a stroke causing drug. Maybe even something as innocuous as just injecting an air bubble into his artery.
Maybe a small support team. But really, you think Boeing doesn’t already have a hitter on the payroll?
This isn’t Hollywood. You can’t just walk into an ICU ward and inject someone.
There have been multiple nurses that have killed people over periods of years.
It’s nowhere near as impossible as you seem to think it is.
Charles Cullen, a nurse, murdered dozens—possibly hundreds—of patients during a 16-year career spanning several New Jersey and Pennsylvania medical centers until being arrested in 2003.
William Davis, who worked at Christus Mother Frances Hospital in Tyler, Texas, fatally injected four patients with air.
Nurse Heather Pressdee pleaded guilty to three counts of first-degree murder and 19 counts of criminal attempt to commit murder.
Reta Mays, a former nursing assistant, killed seven elderly veterans with fatal injections of insulin at a West Virginia hospital.
The list sadly goes on and on and on. There’s even an entire Wikipedia article about it. And those are just the crazies that did for their own enjoyment.
You’re blissfully very naïve about this.
I’m really not. Serial killers exist isn’t evidence it’s easy to get away with killing in a hospital. In fact the very existence of the list proves they’re getting caught.
The ridiculous part is the complexity and number of people who would need to keep a secret.
That is exactly right. That is where it all falls apart.
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You’re right, all these whistleblowers are dying completely naturally and it’s not suspicious at all.
I’d still fly in a Boeing until I hear about them start to get recalled/grounded/etc more, but you must be pretty naive if you don’t see that these deaths are suspicious and don’t think that companies in the United States of America, the land of big business, out of all countries in the world, could have legislative and other protections.
No they are not that suspicious at all. The first death served no purpose unless you really believe it was a “fuck you” death.
The second wasnt much better, but come on, they really got a hospital involved? Do you know how stupid that sounds?
I DO think CEO’s, members of the board, and rich shareholders have legislative and other protections. At the very least the ability to send lawyers to court for the rest of their lives if they had to. I believe they can get away with quite a lot, and probably make money doing it even if caught. So none of that, NONE of that means resorting to murder. There just isn’t really a need to.
If this were a case of targeted blackmail, perhaps somekind of love affair gone wrong or some kind or really nasty shit, then I could see it.
You can ruin peoples lives, create shoddy products, pollute the land, boss people around, and you won’t get in any trouble if you are rich. No need to murder anyone.
Barnett was found dead to an apparent self inflicted gunshot wound after officers were sent to his hotel because he missed a deposition hearing… for a lawsuit against Boeing.
Dead, single gunshot wound, in a car. You think that’s not suspicious at all?
Third day of deposition.
After fighting Boeing since 2017. Losing the first court case by the way.
An entire movie about this came out in 2022.
It sounds like a desperate person who had enough.
Why kill him now? Wad something going to come out that already hadn’t? Or wad this person tired of fighting and feeling helpless.
You could argue that maybe Boeing killed him in the long run.
But with 50,000 people taking their lived a year in the US I tend to think a lot of people are just broken. And i can’t blame them.
Also, you are suggesting the police were in on it since they ruled out foul play too?
Although I don’t trust them either. So fair enough on that one.
It sounds like a desperate person who had enough.
funny that everyone who knew him, didn’t think he was even remotely suicidal. Also as for the ‘why now’ because now it’s got publicity and traction.
As for the cops ruling out foul play… it’s pretty easy to fake a suicide by gunshot… but yes, I’d buy that the police were in on it in a heartbeat. have you met cops? there’s a strong chance the cops were the ones who took the job.
Citation needed: everyone that knew him.
From the article linked in my original comment:
But Barnett’s lawyers said in a statement following his death that his deposition was nearing an end and he appeared to be in good spirits.
“We didn’t see any indication he would take his own life. No one can believe it,” his lawyers, Robert Turkewitz and Brian Knowles, said in a statement on March 12.
Good luck. I’m with you. It’s annoying how retarded most of Lemmy has decided to be about this story based off headlines.
Suuuuuuuure. Found the assassin! /s
