That is a very machivellian attitude. I don’t believe that hurting people who aren’t a threat in the name of “progress” is justified, even if it were a shortcut to utopia, which it’s not.
It’s only Gish galloping if you edit your original message so they appear disconnected. You’d said all hurting was wrong, and my question was a direct followup to that.
I didn’t say anything about pacifism, but I also disagree with your proposition equating violence and politics. Violence is a breakdown of politics. Politics, almost definitionally, is how a people settle disputes without violence.
Pacifism is an ideology centered on political change through nonviolence. Maybe you didn’t explicitly say it, but you might as well have. Can you provide a source on violence being a result of political breakdown and not intrinsic to politics itself? How do current regimes uphold their power?
Politics is, more or less, how decisions are made in groups. Making a decision doesn’t preclude violence. Wars are political and their entire point is violence. Colonialism was foundational to the politics of the last 3+ centuries and it was incredibly violent. Besides vibes, what evidence do you have to support the claim that politics aren’t violent?
That is a very machivellian attitude. I don’t believe that hurting people who aren’t a threat in the name of “progress” is justified, even if it were a shortcut to utopia, which it’s not.
I believe that people should defend their right to exist. Do you feel otherwise?
I will engage with you in the context of your original proposition but I will not engage with Gish Galloping.
It’s only Gish galloping if you edit your original message so they appear disconnected. You’d said all hurting was wrong, and my question was a direct followup to that.
All of human political activity boils down to violence. If pacifism were a legitimate strategy then we wouldn’t be in our current situation.
I didn’t say anything about pacifism, but I also disagree with your proposition equating violence and politics. Violence is a breakdown of politics. Politics, almost definitionally, is how a people settle disputes without violence.
Diplomacy is settling disputes without violence.
It is, but diplomacy refers to disputes between peoples. Politics refers to disputes within a people.
Pacifism is an ideology centered on political change through nonviolence. Maybe you didn’t explicitly say it, but you might as well have. Can you provide a source on violence being a result of political breakdown and not intrinsic to politics itself? How do current regimes uphold their power?
Politics is, more or less, how decisions are made in groups. Making a decision doesn’t preclude violence. Wars are political and their entire point is violence. Colonialism was foundational to the politics of the last 3+ centuries and it was incredibly violent. Besides vibes, what evidence do you have to support the claim that politics aren’t violent?
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