Maven Imported 1.12 Million Fediverse Posts (Updated)
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A social network founded by a former OpenAI employee was caught importing public posts from Mastodon...and ran AI analysis to add tags to them.

Maven, a new social network backed by OpenAI’s Sam Altman, found itself in a controversy today when it imported a huge amount of posts and profiles from the Fediverse, and then ran AI analysis to alter the content.

  • misk@sopuli.xyzEnglish
    291·
    5 months ago

    That’s why I keep saying it’s pointless to defederate corpos. They’ll just scrape everything before you notice.

      • mke@lemmy.worldEnglish
        26·
        5 months ago

        And it’s also damming for private messaging on mastodon.

        I once read vague complaints about it being a rushed implementation. While I won’t trust those without evidence, I for sure wouldn’t trust mastodon with my PMs. At least, not until how this was allowed to happen is figured out and fixed if necessary.

        P.S. I’m still not sure I believe in PMs in the fediverse. If I need to share something and care about keeping it private, I’d rather move the conversation elsewhere.

        • technomad@slrpnk.netEnglish
          17·
          5 months ago

          I was under the impression that DM’s on Mastodon (and Lemmy too) weren’t ever stated as being secure and I think that they were both pretty transparent about this particular aspect.

          • mke@lemmy.worldEnglish
            10·
            5 months ago

            You’re right, regarding Mastodon. I won’t edit my other comment, though, both to preserve the original chain of thought and because that brings up another discussion.

            To quote the EFF:

            We feel that the intended usage of the feature will not determine people’s expectation of privacy while using it.

            Offering people a feature with preexisting expectations, similar to other things that fulfill those expectations, then telling people “We know it looks like a duck but don’t expect it to quack!”

            …It begs the question: was the feature really a good idea?

          • lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
            1·
            5 months ago

            That’s right; they’ve always been documented to be DMs, not PMs.

            But because of the discordbabies people confuse both.

      • GBU_28@lemm.eeEnglish
        1·
        5 months ago

        Well the problem is user perception/understanding.

        The reality is they were literally direct messages, not private messages.

    • Blaze@reddthat.comEnglish
      9·
      5 months ago

      Defederation is more about not being flooded with 1000x more users than the Fediverse currently has

      • IronKrill@lemmy.caEnglish
        1·
        5 months ago

        Unfortunately a lot of people think it’s to do with scraping as well. The amount of “defederate Threads so that they can’t scrape my data” posts I saw was about 50-50 with the sensible takes.

      • misk@sopuli.xyzEnglish
        1·
        5 months ago

        So far we only have a corpo fedi-twitter in form of Threads. In that case non-corpo instance user has to specifically follow someone before their content is federated so that sounds like a bit overblown issue.

        • Blaze@reddthat.comEnglish
          1·
          5 months ago

          Seems pretty easy for any corporation to setup something like https://lemmy-federate.com/ but for Maston/IceShrimp/Misskey accounts to federate the important corporate accounts to the targeted non-corpo instances

          • misk@sopuli.xyzEnglish
            1·
            5 months ago

            There’s no real harm in that unless they spam, at which point those accounts can be banned which shouldn’t overwhelm moderators.