• OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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    5 months ago

    Fascism is a specific political ideology that emerged in 20th century Italy, developed by Mussolini. What you’re describing, not recognizing other people as individuals, is something that has existed for as long as there have been humans.

    When prehistoric tribes were killing each other, they weren’t respecting each other as individuals, but that wasn’t fascism. There wasn’t even a state, political ideology did not exist.

    When feudal lords worked their serfs to death, they weren’t respecting them as individuals, but that was not fascism, it was feudalism.

    Fascism is not the correct word for the thing you’re describing. It doesn’t seem possible to reason with you, so this is probably my last attempt.

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      5 months ago

      Not recognizing other people as individuals does feel core to fascism but I cannot disagree with your nuanced examples. I would indeed not recognize those historic mechanics as fascism.

      What word would you pick that better fits my sentiment?

      When i analyze what i recognize as fascism around and try to nail it down to the sin itself. What it almost boils down to is this not recognizing people. If we could “magically” not commit that sin then fascism couldn’t possibly take hold. its a crucial element to my present day understanding. I wouldn’t know how else to recognize it in people but i experience that humanity is getting plagued by something horrible.

      I am sad you feel i cant be reasoned with, in my experience you provided good material to reflect on end i have already admitted my definition was a simplification. At least give me a few days of time to process before i decide to refocus my perspectives.

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        I apologize for being overly harsh. I think we were just on different wavelengths.

        I think the word you’re looking for is “dehumanization.” Dehumanization is something that is utilized by fascism, but it’s also used in lots of other contexts. To dehumanize someone is to view or treat someone as less than human. An experience where one’s beliefs or values are not respected may feel dehumanizing. A person might find their job dehumanizing, or dealing with beuraucracy dehumanizing, and so on.

        Fascism implies a mass political movement, and takes dehumanization to an extreme that is necessary to lay the groundwork for the extermination of minorities.

        Some degree of dehumanization is normal, especially when interacting with rude or insensitive people, or with uncaring systems. But that’s not enough to constitute fascism on its own.