Saw a article on a large number of gamers being over 55 and then I saw this which I believe needs to be addressed in our current laws.

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    29 days ago

    You buy the license mate. Isn’t it how it always is? Isn’t it why we call the good ol days license keys? Because we buy those license keys. The problem is not the word “buy” or “purchase” being used. The problem is DRM as its true meaning. Digital Rights Management. How would you enforce a sale of offline single player license keys? When you don’t have the keys anymore, you should also uninstall the game. But would you? Hence the need for online DRM. The problem now is that companies don’t like it when you resell those licenses and since it is their IP and their right, they can enforce that too with online drm. I am not saying the current state of affairs is good by any means. I am stating how we all came here in the first place. We do need a law for more consumer protection regarding the sale of digital goods. Or fuck, any law regarding digital things. Our law hasn’t caught up much with the advancement of technology

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      You buy the license mate. Isn’t it how it always is?

      No. I don’t buy a license for a bicycle or a fan.

      Isn’t it why we call the good ol days license keys? Because we buy those license keys.

      …huh? In “the good old days” software was something you actually owned. It came on a disc and you installed it and you owned it forever. Your payment for the disc itself was how they were compensated.

      How would you enforce a sale of offline single player license keys?

      You make it so the game won’t launch without the license key? Lots of software from individuals or smaller companies works this way.

      When you don’t have the keys anymore, you should also uninstall the game.

      WTF would you not have the keys anymore?

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        29 days ago

        First of all, stop equating digital goods with physical goods. If you sell me your bike you cannot use the same bike anymore without my permission. If you sell me your software that you own, I don’t know if you are still using the software or not. You can have god knows how many copies stored and I would be none the wiser and frankly not my business either. If you can have the bicycle somehow duplicated, I wouldn’t care either. I just want the bicycle, you can use your duplicated bicycle.

        And no, the compensation is not the disc. The disc is just a medium of transfer. You can get the data from anywhere bit-by-bit identical and it wouldn’t matter. The developer gets compensated by the sale of the license. It’s just that in the old days it was more convenient to distribute the data along with the license bundled. Hence the sale of disc is equated with the sale of the license. It doesn’t have to be that way.

        Then your point about license keys… That is what is being sold as I stated before. Your license keys is a way to state that you have the right to use the software. If you are somehow planning to sell those license keys, you are technically selling your right to use the software too. Otherwise the software license is meaningless. One person can purchase the keys and sell them for cheaper and cheaper until we get free license keys and freeware. But since people can’t be trusted to play nice by the one who made the software, they implement an online DRM.

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          First of all, stop equating digital goods with physical goods.

          No? I won’t. They’re both purchases. Or at least that’s how they’re sold.

          And no, the compensation is not the disc.

          Hence the sale of disc is equated with the sale of the license.

          My guy, which one is it? Because it can’t be both.

          That is what is being sold as I stated before

          Except it’s not being “sold”. If it was, you would own it, and you could do whatever you wanted with it, in perpetuity.