• rsuri@lemmy.world
    5·
    25 days ago

    As usual it’s the pot calling the kettle black. The most blatant US example of a political prosecution in my lifetime is when Trump got John Durham to prosecute two people for reporting him to the FBI. Both of these people merely did exactly what we tell people they’re supposed to do: reported suspicious activity to the FBI. Both were accused of telling immaterial lies that were documented exactly nowhere and clearly lacked the kind of evidence that would be needed to justify any other prosecution. In fact, two prosecutors in the DOJ argued that charges shouldn’t be brought and one resigned in protest over the prosecutions. Both defendants were acquitted after short deliberations, but only after their lives were overturned and they were savagely attacked in the conservative media.

    But no one talks about them because unlike Trump, they don’t have the biggest microphone on the planet. Then there’s also Trump’s blatant pardons of his political allies, which is just as bad of an interference in the judicial process.

  • deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz
    4·
    25 days ago

    They won’t reject him for the crimes he’s convicted of, they’ll reject they legal system that convicted him of those crimes.

    • RGB3x3@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      25 days ago

      They only reject the legal system when it’s Republican politicians getting prosecuted. They’re just fine with it when it’s immigrants and other minorities getting murdered by police or deported or thrown in prison.

      • SwingingTheLamp@midwest.socialEnglish
        1·
        25 days ago

        Right. To us, the phrase “law and order” means a peaceful society that results from everybody obeying the rules. To the MAGA/authoritarian crowd, it means exercising the power of the state (law) to maintain the correct social hierarchy (order). And guess who’s on top of that hierarchy?

  • bigFab@lemmy.world
    0·
    25 days ago

    What’s hard to believe is none of the previous presidents committed any single crime, while this one committed at least 64 and ‘nobody knew’. US intelligence agencies lose huge credibility.

    I personnally think the trend is to dismiss crimes until someone is finally convicted. Then the dismiss abrubtly ends and prosecution succees fully. Either 0% guilty or 100%.

    • suction@lemmy.world
      1·
      25 days ago

      What’s hard to believe here, chud? Donald Trump was a criminal long before his political career. If a country is dumb enough to elect a criminal as president, what are the odds that criminal will continue doing crime in office? You understand Donald Trump isn’t a normal guy, right? He’s the head of a crime family. Now back to /pol with you.

      • barsquid@lemmy.world
        0·
        25 days ago

        This set of felonies was done during the campaign tho. This was a portion of the election fraud he did in 2016.

    • ZeroCool@vger.socialOP
      0·
      25 days ago

      What’s hard to believe is none of the previous presidents committed any single crime, while this one committed at least 64 and ‘nobody knew’. US intelligence agencies lose huge credibility.

      No one has made that claim except you.

      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
        03·
        25 days ago

        Eh, I’ve seen a bunch of “Trump is our first criminal president” memes. Which really requires you to blind yourself to everyone from Nixon and his wiretapping to Obama and his extrajudicial drone-striking.

        But he’s not the first President to pay out hush money. He’s not the first President to abuse his campaign war chest. He’s certainly not the first President to cheat on his wife. Trump is simply the first person who has won the presidency and been so poorly politically connected that he’s endured a full federal felony prosecution. That says much more about the role of the criminal justice system than the conduct of any given president.

        In a sane and just world, I’m hard pressed to name a President who shouldn’t have been thrown behind bars at some point.

        • Agrivar@lemmy.world
          2·
          25 days ago

          he’s endured a full federal prosecution

          If you’re going simp for the tangerine Mussolini, at least get your facts straight: this was a STATE prosecution.

          • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
            02·
            25 days ago

            Excuse me, felony prosecution.

            And when you consider how many federal indictments have staled out or been dismissed, you begin to see the scope of the problem. The Biden DOJ is toothless in the face of a mafia kingpin. You need the state courts to step in precisely because the federal courts are so stacked in favor of protecting political elites.

        • lennybird@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          25 days ago

          Eh, I’ve seen a bunch of “Trump is our first criminal president” memes. Which really requires you to blind yourself to everyone from Nixon and his wiretapping to Obama and his extrajudicial drone-striking.

          No it doesn’t because Donald is the first proven convicted felon in a court of law. That’s just a fact. The rest is basically a Two-Wrongs-Make-a-Right / Tu Quoque / Whataboutism argument that suggests a race-to-the-bottom mindset while people speculate over allegations of former Presidents without actually testing those theories in a court of law and in front of a Jury. We should be gleeful that Lady Justice has grabbed Don by the balls and even the President is no longer above the law — regardless of past actions of Presidents; clearly a new standard has been made now which is a great thing for our country.

          • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
            0·
            25 days ago

            Donald is the first proven convicted felon

            Only because none of the other assholes got prosecuted.

            That’s a flaw in the Good Ole Boy Network of ex-Presidents, where Obama and Bush Jr can have a beer over illegal drone strikes and wiretaps together. It has nothing to do with which Presidents actually committed crimes.

            We should be gleeful that Lady Justice has grabbed Don by the balls

            Let me know if he serves any prison time. We already learned how Trump skates around financial judgement against him.

            Past that, it should be revealing how easy it is to convict these assholes. All 34 counts stuck. Maybe more Presidents should be put on trial, rather than making this particular screwball fascist an exception to the rule.

    • zbyte64@awful.systems
      1·
      25 days ago

      It wasn’t prostitution though, that would have been standard. This guy tells Stormy that it’s a job interview like he’s Harvey Weinstein

  • Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml
    0·
    26 days ago

    Well, there are so many Presidents in American history that got away with all their crimes, it really is kind of surreal to see one caught on something so trivial. A real “Al Capone caught by the IRS instead of being a mobster” moment.

    • Olhonestjim@lemmy.world
      11·
      23 days ago

      We let all the others get away with it! We can’t start enforcing the law now! It’s his TURN! /s

  • shimdidly@lemmy.world
    01·
    26 days ago

    CNN Senior Legal Analyst Describes How The Trump Conviction Was A Political Hit Job

    1. “The judge donated money… in plain violation of a rule prohibiting New York judges from making political donations—to a pro-Biden, anti-Trump political operation.”

    2. Alvin Bragg boasted on the campaign trail in an overwhelmingly Democrat county, “It is a fact that I have sued Trump over 100 times.”

    3. “Most importantly, the DA’s charges against Trump push the outer boundaries of the law and due process.”

    4. “The charges against Trump are obscure, and nearly entirely unprecedented. In fact, no state prosecutor — in New York, or Wyoming, or anywhere — has ever charged federal election laws as a direct or predicate state crime, against anyone, for anything. None. Ever.”

    5. The DA inflated misdemeanors past the statute of limitations and “electroshocked them back to life” by alleging the falsification of business records was committed ‘with intent to commit another crime.’

    6. “Inexcusably, the DA refused to specify what those unlawful means actually were — and the judge declined to force them to pony up — until right before closing arguments. So much for the constitutional obligation to provide notice to the defendant of the accusations against him in advance of trial.”

    7. “In these key respects, the charges against Trump aren’t just unusual. They’re bespoke, seemingly crafted individually for the former president and nobody else.”

    8. “The Manhattan DA’s employees reportedly have called this the “Zombie Case” because of various legal infirmities, including its bizarre charging mechanism. But it’s better characterized as the Frankenstein Case, cobbled together with ill-fitting parts into an ugly, awkward, but more-or-less functioning contraption that just might ultimately turn on its creator.”

    • EatATaco@lemm.eeEnglish
      01·
      25 days ago

      Everyone notice how not a single thing is cited. This is by design, because they want to make it hard to challenge each and every point. There is obviously zero intent at an honest debate here. It’s just something for the people struggling with the cognitive dissonance of believing they are “the party of law an order” while also supporting the only POTUS to ever be tried and convicted of a crime.