• beardown@lemm.ee
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    5 months ago

    He could deny them weapons, which would inevitably lead to outright war with Iran and an increase in Russian influence in the region

    Why?

    He could fully commit to Netanyahu’s madness (i.e., what Trump wants to do), fully empowering genocide while using no political leverage on Israel.

    Biden is doing this - he is threatening the ICC and ICJ

    He could try to limit the damage by imposing conditions on weapons sales and attempt to thread the needle, recognizing Hamas for the grotesque terrorist organization it is while using political pressure to prevent as much needless death of civilians as possible. This is what Biden is trying to do.

    Biden is not doing this. We have not stopped weapon shipments and have clearly been unable (more like unwilling) to stop or prevent Israel’s genocide

    Also, Israel is not our ally. Their geopolitical interests align with Putin. Which is why they are trying to get Trump elected so that they can destroy the remnants of the “rules based international order” and begin in earnest their conquest of Greater Israel

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      Why?

      Because Iran is a Russian ally and Russian proxy.

      Biden is doing this - he is threatening the ICC and ICJ

      No, he isn’t. Where in the world are you getting the idea that he’s literally “threatening” either?

      Biden is not doing this. We have not stopped weapon shipments and have clearly been unable (more like unwilling) to stop or prevent Israel’s genocide

      Dude, we temporarily halted shipments earlier this month to put pressure on Netanyahu. Were you sleeping?

      Also, Israel is not our ally. Their geopolitical interests align with Putin. Which is why they are trying to get Trump elected so that they can destroy the remnants of the “rules based international order” and begin in earnest their conquest of Greater Israel

      Netanyahu’s interests may align with Putin, but only insofar as both seem hell-bent on destabilizing the region. Putin would gladly let Iran stroll right into Israel and slaughter everyone in it. Israel’s own actual interests do not remotely align with Putin’s.

      • beardown@lemm.ee
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        5 months ago

        Because Iran is a Russian ally and Russian proxy.

        Yes, but why does that mean stopping US weapons shipments to Israel would cause Iran to invade/attack/etc? Israel has a huge weapons stockpile and is still a Western ally - they just happen to be committing genocide with American funds and bombs.

        Where in the world are you getting the idea that he’s literally “threatening” either?

        https://www.ft.com/content/6700a246-e0cd-49d8-b5ef-d2379e86290f

        “The administration of President Joe Biden will work with Congress on possible sanctions against the International Criminal Court after its prosecutor announced it was seeking arrest warrants for senior Israeli and Hamas officials, US secretary of state Antony Blinken said on Tuesday.”

        we temporarily halted shipments earlier this month to put pressure on Netanyahu

        We resumed those shipments and funds, and Israel has since crossed Biden’s red line and attacked Rafah

        Netanyahu’s interests may align with Putin

        Netanyahu/Likud are dictators who control Israel. Until he/they are removed, their interests are Israel’s interests. Which means that Israel is a Russian asset with a stranglehold on American funds thanks to AIPAC

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          5 months ago

          I’d just like to remind you folks the headline you’re debating under:

          Nikki Haley writes ‘finish them’ on IDF artillery shells during Israel visit

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            5 months ago

            Biden/Dems sent the genocide bombs and Haley/Republicans autographed them.

            I’m not sure how that improves things

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              US presidents are required by American law since 2008 to ensure that Israel is better armed than all its neighbours. Biden doesn’t have a real choice unless he can get a bill through both houses to stop arming Israel. I don’t think that’s even remotely realistic.

              Trump would be twice as bad for Palestine. “Finish them” is an actual call to genocide.

              But you don’t care for facts, you just want to blame Biden for everything that you think left wingers might not like so they’ll not vote and Trump can get in.

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                  5 months ago

                  Sounds like Nikki Haley is supposed to be fined half a million dollars in that there anti genocide law you linked to:

                  Whoever directly and publicly incites another to violate subsection (a) shall be fined not more than $500,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

                  I don’t think you can interpret Nikki Haley writing “finish them” on an Israeli bomb as anything other than a call to genocide.

                  Sorry if that interrupts your attempt to make this news article not about Nikki Haley writing “finish them” on an Israeli bomb.

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                    But she obviously will never be charged. Ever.

                    Genocide is bad because it’s evil, not because it’s illegal. Idk why you’re fixated on laws here