• Skua@kbin.social
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    6 months ago

    If neither winning nor losing does progressives any favours, then there’s no issue with trying to make the least bad realistic option win

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      6 months ago

      Only if you never think more than an election ahead.

      If you don’t, and always blindly vote D just because it’s not R…

      How is that different than what lead the Republican party to trump?

      Why do you think it’ll be different this time?

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        6 months ago

        Only if you never think more than an election ahead.

        So how many elections are you expecting that the Dems must lose in order to start fielding candidates you like, or for another party that does so to take their place? It doesn’t matter how many they lose if it never moves the needle your way, so you’ll have to be quite persuasive that this will achieve something that’s worth capitulating to the American right for a decade or longer.

        How is that different than what lead the Republican party to trump?

        Because of the actual outcomes during the four years between each election and the fact that you can protest and write and whatever else you want for improvement during that time. Your vote does have to be your entire political engagement.

        Does this suck? Yes. Does the Republicans winning do literally anything to fix any of it? No. For that you need the Overton window to shift so far that the Republican party dies and the new two-party system has the Dems on the right, or you need a new electoral system. Neither of these is accomplished by the Dems losing.

        Why do you think it’ll be different this time?

        I don’t think it’ll be different this time because the candidates have already been picked. We already both know what the options are. Unfortunately, “no different” is a lot better than the other option. That’s why I’m advocating voting for damage control on the day. Vote against the worst option, because that’s how FPTP works.