It’s also important to note that ChatGPT internet search and DuckDuckGo are experiencing similar issues because they use the Bing API.
It’s also important to note that ChatGPT internet search and DuckDuckGo are experiencing similar issues because they use the Bing API.
Okay.
Now that we already know we are pretty much at the hands of one pupeteer, what options are there?
I already read about Kagi (apologies if mispelled) but I like to write as a hobby and 300 searches per month go fast.
What other options are there?
SearXNG
That’s a nice hobby
I would suggest you to install a local instance of a LLM (mistral or llama3 for example) to widen your source of information. Go straight to Wikipedia instead of “googling” it if you don’t already.
Anyway, I didn’t know about kagi so I might take my own advice and give it a try.
How big are they, and what do I need to use them well?
Mojeek is far from perfect, but also is 100% independent.
Just letting you know kagi has a family plan with unlimited searches, so you can probably split it with family or friends! I have yet to see how searxng search holds up to kagi.
I jumped back on ecosia. It’s nice there, but I’m sure there are issues that a non tech person like me may not know about
There’s also mojeek.com running their own index. Not perfect, but sometimes usable.
you can also send us in queries where we’re not perfect, or let us know elsewhere, and we’re keen on fixing them
That was unexpected, but welcome message. Thanks for caring.
There’s a new search engine called Yep, made by the team at Ahrefs, a SEO tool SaaS.
It looks promising because they have their own index, but it’s a bit slow sometimes.
brave search is pretty good: https://search.brave.com/
Just pay the extra for unlimited searches. It’s not much money, especially if it’s a tool for work.
Brave search is independent. It was trained with google search but now it’s a thing of its own and doesn’t rely on google. I switched from DuckDuckGo a year ago and haven’t looked back
Brave search is run by crypto bros. I’d rather use Kagi or DDG or even Google.
I would use Kagi if it was free. It might be run by crypto bros but doesn’t mean it’s a bad product. Google and bing own 99% of the search engine market. Competition that doesn’t rely on those two is always good
Well they were dishonest about the product behavior in multiple cases, such as adding referral links to search results. That makes it a bad product.
That is a much better argument. But I still use it because I finally get different results from bing or Google.
I agree they were, but that’s the benefits of open source you can call out companies for doing stupid shit. Just like when Mozilla adds unnecessary telemetry.
Brave products are not open source. Not their search, and not the browser. Your post wording seems to imply that it is.
Lumping in Bing with Google is just unfair. Google controls like 90% of search. Bing is ~3.5%. Choosing duck duck go and helping that 3.5% is wayyyy better of a choice than supporting crypto bros.
https://gs.statcounter.com/search-engine-market-share
Personally I don’t want to support Microsoft bing either. This website you shared doesn’t lump together all the bing using search engines (DuckDuckGo and yahoo). How is supporting Microsoft a wayyy better choice. This isn’t some pump and dump scheme. Your criticism should be of the company (they added referall links to their browser and the owner has some nasty political takes on top of running another privacy invasive company).
trained? like AI trained?
Nope, like it used to index from google but now it doesn’t. DuckDuckGo gets all its results from bing
No?