• archomrade [he/him]@midwest.socialOP
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    6 months ago

    I’m pushing to make the lesser evil less evil. You’re pushing for people to hold their nose and vote for the lesser evil without even demanding they try being a little less evil.

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        6 months ago

        Maybe you should advocate that Biden not refuse that demand.

        Seems pretty important if you know, you care about defeating Trump.

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          6 months ago

          Maybe you should advocate that Biden not refuse that demand.

          It would be great if Biden changed his view. I hope that the changing views of the American electorate on Israel and the protests relevant to that change pressure him into doing so.

          But when you say “Well, it’s actually completely okay if you decide that allowing fascism is the better choice if Biden doesn’t change his mind😊”, what you’re saying is “I don’t give a fuck how many Palestinians OR American minorities die, and I don’t care if I ever get a say in governance again.”

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            6 months ago

            I mean you clearly don’t give a fuck about how many Palestinians die. You’ve been arguing a position that sets Trump up to win.

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              6 months ago

              Sorry that I want to minimize the number of Palestinians who die, while you would prefer to maximize the number.

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                6 months ago

                No you don’t dude.

                You refuse to take your criticism to Biden and expect voters to just accept genocide.

                You are an apologist for genocide.

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                  6 months ago

                  You refuse to take your criticism to Biden

                  Oh yes, just the other day I was offered a trip to the White House to discuss my policy positions with Biden, and I stood up on my one good leg, and firmly said “NO! I will NOT go and take my criticism to BIDEN HIMSELF! If he wants to hear my criticism of him, he can log into Lemmy like everyone else!”

                  and expect voters to just accept genocide.

                  No, actually, I expect voters to vote against “more genocide”, something that seems extremely controversial to people who want MORE genocide, for reasons that Definitely Make Sense From A Left-Wing Perspective. I guess more dead minorities is… left praxis…?

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                    I expect voters to vote against “more genocide”,

                    Voters aren’t going to move their position on this. Only the candidate can.

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          Then your choices are reduced to “Allow politicians to know that your ‘demands’ mean nothing because they have no consequences” or “Let the fascist win”.

          By the way, really loving the “LOL let’s just wing it” attitude towards the potential murder of millions more people. Makes me feel real warm and fuzzy inside to know that the pro-minority attitude of the online left isn’t even deep enough to be performative.

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              You’re eating genocide either way, unless you have a fucking miracle candidate up your sleeve you’ve been hiding 'til now. The difference is, you’ve chosen the “All Trump Can Eat” genocide buffet.

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                6 months ago

                We only have to eat genocide if we choose not to send the food back

                I can tell what your appetite is by the fact you’re not even trying

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                  We only have to eat genocide if we choose not to send the food back

                  What was your plan to send the food back and ensure that the genocide buffet wasn’t returned in response, again? Was it “We’re going to say ‘no’ very firmly despite 48 of the 100 people at this table eagerly voting for the genocide buffet”?

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                    Frankly i’m hoping the chef cares enough about that possibility that he serves up something different

                    I really think it’s the customers basic obligation to at least say ‘whatever the chef recommends BUT ABSOLUTELY NO GENOCIDE’

                    If you’re not at least saying that idk what to tell you, you’re probably gonna get genocide

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                  “The BIDEN supporter is the TRUMP supporter!”

                  Yes, picking the one of the two realistic candidates means I actually support the OTHER realistic (but much more vile) candidate. You caught me.

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                    Biden isn’t a realistic candidate if he doesn’t shift on Palestine.

                    He’s been polling below Trump for over a year. He suffers a 12 point polling error spread.

                    Biden isn’t a viable candidate right now. Its because of his position on Palestine.

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              Don’t bother fighting with that cunt, he’s one of those liberals that loves genocide and wants people to shut up and support it. No amount of talk could convince him to stop supporting genocide or attacking people who don’t want to

              “Makes me feel real warm and fuzzy inside to know that the pro-minority attitude of the online left isn’t even deep enough to be performative.” very funny bullshit coming from someone who’s so “pro-minority” he would go all out to defend the mass murder of Palestinians and shut down any attempt to protest it

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                Idk, It’s a little more fun when he’s the subject of the chastising than it is seeing all his crocodile tears in my homepage for minorities while he’s defending an actual genocide.