But sure, it’s just “the workers” with their very undivided and definitely coherent view who are getting ignored, not that the general electorate is not a particularly useful political grouping for most issues in modern politics.
No, it’s not. But “I’m going to give power to the guy who wants to offer unlimited support to Israel’s genocide AND start a few genocides at home too, as well as abolishing what democracy we do have in this country and selling out Ukrainians to be genocided by Russia” is not really an alternative that should be taken seriously.
So the Biden administration has no power in stopping aid? Because it’s happening rn on his watch. Whatever possible future comes is a result of actions today…
I was trying to stay on subject and not follow you down the “what about this possible future” rabbit hole. I’m not a multiverse guy. Today’s actions bears tomorrow’s fruit. This support of genocide is making for rotten choices
I was trying to stay on subject and not follow you down the “what about this possible future” rabbit hole.
Oh, I’m sorry, you’re right, it’s absolutely ridiculous to consider one of the only two realistic possibilities of the outcome of this coming election. I really must be overworking some poor folk’s brains here.
Option 3: Biden and his administration stops supporting Israel, and he gains support for literally doing nothing
That would be great. I very much hope that the protests push him into that.
However, Option 3 is not an option you or I pull the lever on. Option 3 is an option that Biden must choose, and as much as I’d like to slip him some subliminal messaging in his morning coffee to convince him, ultimately, neither of us can make that decision the way we can make the decision who to vote for.
So if election day comes, and Option 3 hasn’t activated, you are looked at Option 1 or Option 2. And if you think “Well, I don’t MIND fascism” is in any way a moral decision at that point, then I absolutely will respond with the utmost disgust.
What aid can they stop? Don’t say something stupid like “sending weapons” or “military aid”.
Since you have limitless knowledge of foreign policy and diplomatic relations with Israel, give me specific examples of aid that Joe Biden can unilaterally stop that would end the Genocide™ today.
We’ll even ignore the fact the Bibi said they would continue the assault on Gaza even if the United States cut off all aid. Just tell me the aid that Biden can suspend that will end the Genocide™ today.
Stop moving the goal posts. Bibi is able to carry on because of Biden’s support. Biden stops giving aid and Bibi can’t carry on. It doesn’t take much to see that
What military aid can Biden stop sending that will stop the Genocide™? The ICC arrest warrant didn’t stop the Russian genocide in Ukraine, why do you think they will stop Netanyahu?
Very little. It’s largely a Congress thing. They decide who gets aid, how much, and where the funding comes from. Biden absolutely could do better with messaging. And his leadership has not done him many favors either. However, short of enacting war powers etc. There’s very little that the executive branch can do directly. Which makes so much of the ire Biden is getting misplaced and suspicious.
He should do better. So should the people hyperfixating on him.
Messaging is very unclear because Biden says he will stop sending shipments of American weapons…and then doesn’t. And denouncing the ICC is also emboldening Bibi & Israel’s actions in Gaza. Biden wants to have his cake and eat it too
People say a lot of things. People only have the ability to do the things they’re given. He can push for it to change. He can even expedite already approved shipments. But what he can’t do is start or stop them himself. Congress can and the Republicans have shown they would override him.
And yet whether the current level of US support for Israel is correct or not remains deeply divisive
But sure, it’s just “the workers” with their very undivided and definitely coherent view who are getting ignored, not that the general electorate is not a particularly useful political grouping for most issues in modern politics.
Anyway you try to spin it, apologizing for aiding a state engaged an active genocide is really not a positive
No, it’s not. But “I’m going to give power to the guy who wants to offer unlimited support to Israel’s genocide AND start a few genocides at home too, as well as abolishing what democracy we do have in this country and selling out Ukrainians to be genocided by Russia” is not really an alternative that should be taken seriously.
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So the Biden administration has no power in stopping aid? Because it’s happening rn on his watch. Whatever possible future comes is a result of actions today…
I really don’t know how you got that from “Don’t vote in the guy who wants to give more aid to Israel and start genocides at home”.
I was trying to stay on subject and not follow you down the “what about this possible future” rabbit hole. I’m not a multiverse guy. Today’s actions bears tomorrow’s fruit. This support of genocide is making for rotten choices
Oh, I’m sorry, you’re right, it’s absolutely ridiculous to consider one of the only two realistic possibilities of the outcome of this coming election. I really must be overworking some poor folk’s brains here.
I know some people only can hold 2 ideas at a time but there are more than more choices that are available at the current point in time.
Here is one:
Option 3: Biden and his administration stops supporting Israel, and he gains support for literally doing nothing
That would be great. I very much hope that the protests push him into that.
However, Option 3 is not an option you or I pull the lever on. Option 3 is an option that Biden must choose, and as much as I’d like to slip him some subliminal messaging in his morning coffee to convince him, ultimately, neither of us can make that decision the way we can make the decision who to vote for.
So if election day comes, and Option 3 hasn’t activated, you are looked at Option 1 or Option 2. And if you think “Well, I don’t MIND fascism” is in any way a moral decision at that point, then I absolutely will respond with the utmost disgust.
What aid can they stop? Don’t say something stupid like “sending weapons” or “military aid”. Since you have limitless knowledge of foreign policy and diplomatic relations with Israel, give me specific examples of aid that Joe Biden can unilaterally stop that would end the Genocide™ today.
We’ll even ignore the fact the Bibi said they would continue the assault on Gaza even if the United States cut off all aid. Just tell me the aid that Biden can suspend that will end the Genocide™ today.
Stop moving the goal posts. Bibi is able to carry on because of Biden’s support. Biden stops giving aid and Bibi can’t carry on. It doesn’t take much to see that
What support can the Biden administration unilaterally withhold to so that Bibi stops carrying on? Be specific.
Stop sending military aid to Israel, and don’t pursue sanctions on the ICC. Two very simple things
What military aid can Biden stop sending that will stop the Genocide™? The ICC arrest warrant didn’t stop the Russian genocide in Ukraine, why do you think they will stop Netanyahu?
Very little. It’s largely a Congress thing. They decide who gets aid, how much, and where the funding comes from. Biden absolutely could do better with messaging. And his leadership has not done him many favors either. However, short of enacting war powers etc. There’s very little that the executive branch can do directly. Which makes so much of the ire Biden is getting misplaced and suspicious.
He should do better. So should the people hyperfixating on him.
Messaging is very unclear because Biden says he will stop sending shipments of American weapons…and then doesn’t. And denouncing the ICC is also emboldening Bibi & Israel’s actions in Gaza. Biden wants to have his cake and eat it too
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/08/politics/joe-biden-interview-cnntv/index.html
People say a lot of things. People only have the ability to do the things they’re given. He can push for it to change. He can even expedite already approved shipments. But what he can’t do is start or stop them himself. Congress can and the Republicans have shown they would override him.