an update to defederating from sh.itjust.works - Beehaw
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hey folks, here’s a quick update on our decision to defederate from sh.itjust.works! (and here’s sh.itjust.works [https://sh.itjust.works/post/129725]’s side of this update) we got in touch with the head admin over there, The Dude, and we had a pretty good chat about our concerns and reason for defederating. while immediate re-federation is just bluntly off the table with the rudimentary state of Lemmy’s moderation tools, we now have a pretty good idea of the roadmap to refederating with them. we think we’ll eventually be able to do this, although we don’t have a timetable on when yet. we’re also now collaborating with him on how to move forward–and in the weeks and months to come we’ll be pushing to expedite the process of developing some of the necessary tools. this decision has really helped us make connections that can hopefully realize those tools both on the desktop side and in apps being developed for Lemmy. we’re also hoping to collaborate with other Lemmy administrators who have needs like our own, or just generally want more granular tools at their disposal. we did also get in touch with the lemmy.world owner prior to defederating to share the concerns that prompted us to defederate[^1]–but we have not received any communication from him since it was levied, so there’s no roadmap at all there as of now. we’re always open to reconsidering and collaborating to end the defederation with him, but for now the earliest i can give you is “when mod tools are in a better state”. that’s all for now folks. if any new significant developments take place we’ll announce them as needed. [^1]: we’re only bringing this up now because it was just not useful information in the context of our announcement. it almost certainly would have been interpreted as some sort of callousness and/or brought unnecessary sectarianism and grief to him. at the end of the day he has his reasons and desires for running lemmy.world how he does, and we have ours for running Beehaw as we do. because of social and technological circumstances those are just incompatible right now, and that’s fine.

(Posting to lemmy.world seems to be disabled so I’m posting this here instead.)

This inconsistency has been bothering me, so I went poking around in their support community, and the best I could find was a statement saying they had reached out to the admins of both. Apparently they expected @[email protected] to reply to something that didn’t seem like a question as indicated by his response in Beehaw Support. As such, they claim to have no roadmap to eventually refederate with lemmy.world.

I added a reply from another instance, but I’m guessing I won’t receive a reponse so if anyone knows, I would like to better understand the issue. It’s quite annoying feeling like I’m missing out, especially when I’m seeing inflammatory overly generalized statements from kbin.social users about how lemmy.world deserved to be defederated over in this post on lemmy.ml.

  • suspecm@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    1 year ago

    Didn’t think I’d vitness such drama in my first week on lemmy. My popcorn is ready.

  • cura@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    1 year ago

    I know that many people don’t like their defederation decision but I think they did it in good faith. And they did state they want to refederate with the two instances once the mod tools are in place.

    For kbin, they did mention the reasoning behind.

    To be clear there are problematic users on nearly every instance. I’ve had to moderate quite a few kbin users, but it’s not standing out from the pack as a particularly problematic place as of this moment.

    As for lemmy.ml, I have a stupid theory that since the signup is closed, those spammers cannot get accounts over there.

  • Elle@lemmy.worldMEnglish
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    1 year ago

    Not sure about the situation with Lemmy.ml other than they’ve been linked longer than any of the newer instances (so maybe have a better sense for how the admins/mods there are willing to handle things, but with Kbin.social it wasn’t being federated for awhile as they worked on just getting the instance more fully online (a testament to how new-ish its software is, I think).

    So I think they simply had more experience and trust that Lemmy.ml would handle things on their end, and Kbin.social simply wasn’t being federated just yet when they made their decision.

    • kiwifoxtrot@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      1 year ago

      So why isn’t kbin.social defederated now? They are federated, open, and growing. The only sin that lemmy.world had was it was reliable.

  • AlmightySnoo 🐢🇮🇱🇺🇦@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    1 year ago

    Unpopular opinion but I don’t think refederation with beehaw.org should be on the table. They loved the concept of federation when they needed users, and then once they’ve grown enough they said okay now we’re gonna be a closed island and the other peasants need to rise to our standards before we refederate with them. The moderation excuse is obviously not sincere as users could have easily volunteered to moderate.

    No matter how fancy their writing is (and there was indeed lots of it, why try too hard to justify the decision?), I think the trust has been broken. Why would I comment on their threads ever again and risk having my content “locked” in their instance if they go on another ego trip and defederate again?

    • Vamp@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      1 year ago

      I don’t really like beehaw due to a recent experience with them misleading people extremely severely that nobody but me seemed to really acknowledge. but if anything I stick to World.

  • taigaman@kbin.social
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    1 year ago

    I say leave them to themselves. I tried applying for an account there, and was rejected. I guess they must not be hurting for new members. You have to wonder if they’ll run out of people as other communities/magazines continue to grow without them. They might find their own members leaving in favor of those larger communities.