Rogan promoted the conspiracy theory that Epps was an “agent provocateur” for the feds, a baseless claim that has led to a defamation suit against Fox News.
Fucking Spotify using my money to pay this nutjob really pisses me off
Vote with your wallet. Deezer is pretty good. I switched to them when Spotify decided I needed Rogan in my life despite their algorithm undoubtedly indicating otherwise.
I switched to YouTube music and have been happy with it. The family plan is about the same price as Spotify and includes YouTube premium which has been an unexpectedly nice bonus.
I’m kinda the opposite: I got YouTube Red (now Premium) to kill ads and got a music service for “free.”
With the added bonus of no Rogan.
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Far far better. While still being problematic capitalist whores. Who will shamelessly chase attention clicks and money.
There is a lot of trash on YouTube. And some of it is even monetized. You can correct me if I’m wrong. But alphabet has not paid for exclusivity or sought out any of those trash makers. The evil Google does is pursuing engagement. And the best most assured way of achieving that is through controversy and outrage. Google is generally neutrally evil. And while evil. It’s still better then the other alternatives. Though I would genuinely like to see an alternative like peer tube someday be able to supplant them.
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They’re not pushing it to the top of the algorithms. The algorithms are driven by engagement. And outrage is one of the most sure drivers. You’re attributing far more to Google than I think we can reasonably prove their involved in. Never attribute to malice what could be attributed to incompetence.
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It’s really nice to be able to watch YouTube on your TV and not have to deal with ads
Definitely. Between YouTube and my jellyfin server. I basically don’t watch any other streaming services or live television outside of Pluto, or the currently airing season of what we do in the shadows
Recommend Tidal as well if you like smaller artists. The search feature is nowhere near as good, but the curated playlists seem better to me. And you’re top 2 artists of the month, I think, get 10% of your subscription fee directly.
I do encourage everyone to drop all Meta platforms, but generally speaking “vote with your wallet” is ineffectual.
There is no ethical consumption under capitalism.
Edit: choosing what makes you happier is never ineffectual, but capitalism is not a democracy. You can’t “vote” out a company by choosing not to use their product, especially when that company owns many of the options or has control over the majority of the market.
There is no ethical consumption under capitalism.
Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good.
How is voting with your wallet ineffectual?
There’s a confirmation bias at work here. The shitty things people didn’t pay for don’t exist.
A few people voting with their dollars is completely useless. You’re also talking about an international business with more users outside the US than in it, who don’t need to care about Joe Rogan.
https://observer.case.edu/why-internet-boycotts-dont-work/
https://techcrunch.com/2023/04/25/spotify-now-has-more-than-500m-users/
That said, I don’t eat at Chick-fil-A because of their shitty politics. I understand that me not eating there isn’t creating any actual change, but I’m still not going to do it.
People should absolutely feel free to make these changes whenever they want, but you should realize that Spotify has grown subscribers since you left and they don’t care that you did.
Yes, but a useful “evil” thing will continue to exist because it is useful. The majority of people value something useful/convenient WAY more than they care about morals.
OldPersonDiaperSeasoning.com won’t last because it’s simply awful, but Meta/Amazon just won’t seem to die no matter how many people hate it and choose to leave because it is useful.
I understand it’s an unpopular opinion, but you don’t become the size of Meta without leveraging significant market power.
Consumer boycotts have their place, but rarely exercise the same level of influence over a company than other methods of activism.
Meta can easily just buy the next most popular alternative anyway (as they have repeatedly).
Stop paying for, and using Spotify. That way you know that you aren’t supporting him.
I switched to Tidal when he first started going on with the COVID misinformation. Haven’t looked back.
same. Tidal is awesome
Tidal is not bad
Source: I switched to tidal when they picked up Rogan and started cramming his show down my throat
Highly recommend piracy.
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It’s hard for music unfortunately
Get a Deezer account and use Deemix to ‘archive’ all the music you’d be sad if it went away. Yknow, just in case.
Not if you use Soulseek.
Wait… Soulseek is still a thing? I have fond memories of running a client on our schools sever 20+ years ago. Let it download all night. Grab it once I was back in class.
Great times.
No it isn’t. Redacted let’s people in with a simple interview.
Then stop giving Spotify your money. Thats on you.
Yep it’s totally unnecessary to pay anyone for streaming music.
Just obtain your own MP3s of the music you prefer, and listen to those files on your device. It’s the 2000s way to music, and it’s still the best.
Internet connectivity is not available everywhere, so you may encounter areas that streaming doesn’t work. MP3 collections don’t have that problem.
You can also get your own Plex server or something like that if you really just want to stream your music. That’s another way to have your music on hand without bullshit subscriptions.
They even had the gall to put this piece of shit in my Recommended Podcasts feed. Back to SoulSeek it is for me!
Fuck Spotify for using money to pay ANY podcast to be exclusively there.
Podcasts are an open medium that is decentralized and allows free choice of client and they are trying to monopolize it
I canceled Spotify for Tidal when they announced the big deal for him. They are not as good as Spotify at helping me find new music, but they seem less evil. I put “Rogan” as my reason from cancelling.
Use xManager. All the benefits excluding downloading songs. It’s updated once in a while too
I use a patched spotify apk for android and a spotify webapp with ublock origin on my PC. I’ve never needed to pay for premium and it works just fine.
Then unsubscribe and stop whining? You have other options available.
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Its a “fact” that anyone who listen to Rogan is a peasant-minded moron
pesant-minded
My comrad in class, unless you are a multi-millionare we are all peasants together. Many of us have excellent minds, as you likely do yourself. Do not tie our mental capability to our economic caste.
“my comrade in class” needs to be the 21st century replacement for “my brother in Christ” and you just made me make my first Lemmy comment!
I’m using this!
Congratulations, you are now Vladimir Lemmyn
I don’t like “talky” podcasts so I never listened but there was a time when hearing about an interesting guest he had made me inclined to look them up.
Now when I hear someone was on his show I default to assuming they’re a crackpot. And I’ve only been wrong about that like twice.
Infowars had some reputable people in its earlier days too. Rogan seems to be following the same unhinged path.
There are only so many kinda-fringe-but-interesting guests in the world. If that’s your whole schtick, at some point the pool runs dry and you start bringing out grifters.
Yep, and once you platform enough nutcases no one else wants to be associated with or listen to you.
What does it mean to be peasant-minded and why are you using it as an insult.
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No, its a bizarre thing to say, just like if someone said serf-minded, slave-minded, or using any other economic group minded.
How is that trolling? imo that was quite a funny point, if the original phrase was meant to be an insult, it was a very weird one.
You’re being a much bigger troll. You took any kind of criticism of someone else’s wording as an attack on your agenda. Congrats, you’re at least as bad as the people listening to Rogan.
Edit: someone please explain what am I missing.
You’re not missing anything, people either think you’re defending Rogan by pointing out the insult or they just don’t care about the fact that the insult is degrading for peasants.
Calling someone a peasant as a humorous jab is okay, but using it as a serious insult isn’t.
Thanks! I thought i might be missing some rogan-specific joke or something. Then I just continue to be surprised and disappointed by people.
I find it hilarious that you guys are virtue signalling for a class that hasn’t existed since the Middle Ages.
Quick a person is defending something or someone, iT mUsT bE vIrTue sIgNaLing, get your pitchforks and torches !!!
Relax friend, not everyone has ulterior motives for saying something.
Serfdom in Russia only ended in 1861.
Personally, I’m burgher-brained.
Pay no mind to these overly censorious bastards; you say what you want to say. Nothing wrong with being a peasant though, I actually agree with that. But you can use it as an insult if you feel like it.
If you think listening to the Joe Rogan Experience is an insult you’re either listening to the JRE or you’ve never listened to the JRE.
No. I am criticizing calling someone peasant minded
Nothing wrong with knowing what we are.
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It’s a fact that Rogan is a brain-damaged conspiracy theorist
Rogan flips like a light switch. One day he’s all about the science and the next he’s got some mouth breather telling him the moon is made out of cheese.
He’s playing both sides. Like any corporation, the goal is money. He knows there’s money to be had from the right. He might be trying to get that tucker Carlson demo. Bringing in interesting guests like scientist, philosophers, etc. Just keeps the general public from leaving outright.
Yep, I’m honestly guilty of it as well, I like some of the guests he has on their for their stories. Usually I just watch the little clips of them at most.
Moral of the story, don’t do all the drugs kids!
This is fantastic advice.
Try drugs. If it’s something you’re into, you should even try a lot of drugs. But some drugs are better left alone, and by the time you get to where trying those drugs seems appealing, you should probably know which drugs you can’t handle safely. Which drugs those are is different for everybody, but getting to know yourself is at least half the point of trying drugs in the first place, so be safe and don’t get too addicted (and buy a testing kit, especially if you’re buying street drugs)
Source: am professional chemist who’s dabbled in buying or making (and testing) nearly everything from bath salts to kava.
He’s an attention whore. He says whatever gets him the most response but I think he’s sufficiently brain damaged to believe it in the moment, which is why he seems genuine.
He’s basically the character he played on News Radio, except with an audience and too much money.
Of course he’s brain damaged, this is the kind of political discourse that comes from a.guy who gets kicked in the head for fun.
Stopped listening to him when Bill Burr told him to shut up about Covid. This wasn’t a false flag and if it was instigated by someone then Donald Trump was apart of the plan because we all can watch the video of him telling his supports to march on the capitol and fight. None of it is ridiculous in the scope of how that party was going and none of it needs further insight. A brain dead party is making it up as they go and making a lot of mistakes along the way.
Yeah, it was all Epps who sent out the tweet telling everyone to come to DC on 1/6 and that it will be wild.
Then Epps stood up in front of the crowd and gave that speech about how everyone had to “fight like hell or you won’t have a country anymore!” and then told everyone he’d march with them right down to the capitol to force a halt to this Constitutionally mandated process…
Oh, wait, no, that wasn’t Epps. Who was it again?
Tangerine Mussolini.
Stop paying attention to him. He was over validated as being a great interviewer, but that’s only because he created a safe space for right-wing reactionaries to pander to conservative bros. His takes are trash, his hyper masculine routine is tired and lame, and he is a regular source of immediately debunkable misinformation.
He’s a terrible interviewer. I attempted to listen to one of his podcasts many years ago because the interviewee was someone I was interested in. Joe Rogan quite obviously had no fucking clue about the specifics of why this person is notable, and his line of questioning was uneducated and irritating.
I never tried to listen/watch to Rogan again.
I wonder sometimes if he is actually stupid and actually believes some of this stuff or if he just says outrageous shit to get people to listen to his show.
So he’s either a fucking moron or a fucking troll, neither of which I’d wanna listen to.
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He’s stupid. He used to think the Moon landing was faked.
It is a fact that Joe Rogan is a cringy moron.
He changed his mind on that?
I can’t remember who finally convinced him (Neil DeGrasse Tyson maybe?) but yes.
He can be both.
It’s Schrodinger’s Douchebag:
- say outrageous thing
- gauge reaction
3a. if reaction is good for self - repeat outrageous thing
3b. if reaction is not good for self - dismiss outrageous thing as “joke”
I would argue that someone who says outrageous lies to garner attention is actually stupid, regardless of whether he believes it or not.
I hope he gets sued into poverty, but I have no faith in our legal system.
I’ve always believed they were serious about learning. I remember being frustrated that people are often abusive instead of explaining why dumb thoughts are dumb but after like 10 years of multi-hour interviews with smart people they don’t seem to be making much progress. Maybe there is a constant inflow of new dumb listeners, and most last a few years and kind of graduate out of listening, but he has to stay the same for the whole thing to work.
He’s been hit in the head a lot. Made a career out of being hit in the head.
I thought he made his career as an occasionally funny screaming stand up comic. And then as a mma commentator, then as a deplorable pod cast guy.
He also did Fear Factor, a decent show.
He started out as a Taekwondo fighter, then a kickboxer before he started commentary.
Rogan gets dumber all the time
Same with his fans.
What he doesn’t get is that you need a accompanying talking therapy if you make a show like that, personal invested and frequent. Even the most grounded character would start to drift, sooner or later. We are after all just human and nobody can fight that in the long run alone.
I had never heard of Ray Epps before, but it’s the ultimate leopards ate my face situation. Dude bought into the Fox News propaganda so much that he attempted to overthrow the government. Then Fox News accused him of being an FBI plant, and now all his fellow right wing nuts jobs have turned on him accusing him of working for the FBI. Meanwhile, he’s still being prosecuted for his attempts to overthrow the government.
Fucking hilarious. I’d love to buy this idiot a beer just to hear how much he fucked up his life.
In their minds did they think that by physically occupying a building they therefore thought the country belonged to them or something? Still trying to piece together how they thought storming the capital would result in successfully over throwing the gov. Just another thing to define how absolutely ass backwards this timeline is.
A few of them were fully prepared to murder senators, don’t forget.
Nancy Pelosi would absolutely have been killed if they got their hands on her. AOC too, probably.
Fuck, the wanted to hang Mike Pence.
So… they occupy the building. Trump moves in with the military to “protect the capital” and says “we’re postponing the results of the election until we can resolve the election irregularities”. He then weeds out the generals in the military that show resistance to going along with things. Then he basically just extends the deadline for when he’ll hand power back indefinitely. Then he finds a way to blame the democrats for the Jan 6th stuff and locks them up, and voilà, coup complete.
The republicans would have gone along with this is a heart beat.
There was also the throw the electoral college vote back to the state legislatures move.
The president and commander-on-chief of the United States had just heavily implied it would be a good idea. Those of them not just caught up in the enthusiasm probably thought they would have military support. Trump always appealed to people that can’t really separate reality from movies and they thought they were living the climax. Reality is, however, much more pragmatic than that and they were lucky they were of the privileged class so they were merely arrested rather than gunned down the way anyone else storming a federal building would be.
One of the more interesting facts that came out as they were arrested was that the bulk of attendees there that day were wealthy white men, usually business owners, lawyers, that sort, who all came from Blue cities where the demographics had been getting a LOT browner in the last ten years.
So when they chant about “Take OUR country back,” guess who they’re taking it back from? Hm?
Let me re-iterate, most of the group were from Blue states, not Red. There were quite a few Californians.
Of course, being quite literally the idle wealthy, they were able to fly to DC, no big deal, and then hang out there for a while, no big deal, because they didn’t have to hold down jobs, other people were stuck back home making their money for them. They had plenty of cash for the excursion and all their toys. I’m sure they were staying in nice hotel rooms.
A number also took private flights. Unless you happen to live where its taking place you have to possess the means to afford travel, a place to stay, and potentially legal fees to attend a protest. You also, as you said, need to be able to afford the time off work. This restricts most protests to college students and PMCs with a few locals thrown in.
I think most people just got swept up in the moment, but there was certainly an organized group there ready to act upon something. Lest we forget they brought a guillotine so who knows what that intent was.
It’s the same logic that alows them to think that JFK Jr will ascend from his watery grave and teleport to Dealy Plaza and annoint Trump as POTUS for life. They believe in fairy tales.
They were trying to stop the certification of the votes. Even if they had stopped it, it’s just a ceremonial thing iirc.
What a fucking idiot. What is it about being a reality tv star that gives these medical grade morons the idea that they are smarter than everyone else? I mean the public getting fooled sure, that’s in the editing and show runners keeping the idiots on the rails. But the idiots themselves thinking they are the smart ones? it boggles the mind.
Look up the Dunning Kruger Effect.
The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias[2] whereby people with low ability, expertise, or experience regarding a type of task or area of knowledge tend to overestimate their ability or knowledge.
I think it’s less that and more he found out a profitable base and pandered to it. He’s not an idiot he has a great PR team it’s how a b list star from news radio and bad comedian managed to get and keep attention and make iirc hundreds of millions at this point.
Reality is a team sport, to some people.
What’s true today is handed down by people above you, and if they belong above you, they must be better than you. In every way. There’s only the one metric. People in this mindset don’t understand expertise as anything more than sounding real smart.
Someone clever can’t just be wrong, since that would require an objective means to evaluate claims. That is not what claims are for, in this tribal worldview. They can only be accepted or rejected based on interpersonal trust.
And they think that’s all you’re doing, because they think that’s all there is.
This is why every argument you have with these people is frustrating nonsense. They don’t have a stable set of beliefs you can interact with. They have slogans. They will freely shuffle through them to win the conversation by finding plausible excuses. Consistency means less than nothing. It’s an obstacle to making good moves in this stupid word game.
This is what defines conservatism. This is all there is to conservatism. It’s the Oops All Hierarchy worldview. There is no other force in that moral universe. They can claim high-minded ideals, but they’ll flit between contradictory bullshit with zero self-recognition. So either they’re somehow champions of individual rights while viciously enforcing tradition and also the Confederate-loving party of Lincoln and also free-speech-loving censorship nannies and also stalwart capitalist bailout-sucking union-busters or else they’re just fucking lying. They’re just… shuffling cards.
The only reliable predictor of what they’ll say is whether they’re talking about the ingroup or the outgroup. They will make whatever mouth noises protect and elevate the ingroup. They will make whatever mouth noises attack and denigrate the outgroup.
I understand why they don’t see this division. What the hell is our excuse?
Success and fame to go with it will often have that effect when the fool don’t think they deserve it themselves. They feel special as a result and get completely blinded and selfabsorbed by their own greed and ego, especially once the money rolls in.
I feel that Joe Rogan is quite open about not really knowing much about anything. It’s a real shame. I’d be interested in some of his podcasts, if only the host knew what they were talking about
Nah, he is being deliberately disingenous. He knows when he spews right wing disinformation because he knows who his core audience are.
It’s a fact that Joe Rogan is an idiot.
He even said so himself. Literally: “I’m just an idiot, you shouldn’t listen to me.” He said that in a stand up special. It’s still true, too, so I don’t know why people even listen to him. He specifically requested people not to.
Was he not the guy who got millions of parents twisted up about litter boxes in schools only to find out he made the whole thing up?
What’s upsetting about the litter boxes thing, is that schools were buying them so that when a psycho comes and shoots up a school, little kids can shit themselves in front of their classmates and it’s easier to clean up. Nothing to do with furries, it’s just a problem American lawmakers don’t want to fix so people are finding creative solutions to ancillary problems.
When people tell you who you are, believe them.
Do people listen to Joe himself? The only times I’ve ever listened to his podcasts is when I’m interested in whatever guest he has on.
This is really the only way to consume his media. People would be wrong if they said he wasn’t entertaining during his interviews. He is exactly like I was when I was a burn out stoner, and I find that hilarious.
But people forget he isn’t an intelligent or educated political commentator. He’s literally just a ‘Joe’ and I wish he would understand that his opinion impacts millions of dipshits who hang on every word he says.
Joe Rogan is an idiot and can just fuck right off
I like how you think. Do you have your own podcast by any chance?
Rogan should be deplatformed. We don’t have a robust enough education system for ‘free speech’ to work when people like Rogan are just lying to people.
I can’t believe people really support restricting free speech, it blows my mind. Is it a generational thing? He’s plainly a bit dense, but even if you don’t consider it freedom of the press, it’s just one guy talking rubbish. And he’s far from the worst!
To confirm, no, I don’t listen to his podcast, mostly because he’s quite boring and I disagree with him on most things.
Deplatforming isn’t restricting free speech.
I sort of feel it is, in the sense of banning somebody from a public space, despite the arguments about social media platforms being privately owned. That just makes me think those platforms should be publicly owned. To me it’s like saying somebody owns this park, so you don’t have freedom of speech in it. That logic doesn’t sit well with me.
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Free speech means that the government can’t silence citizens outside of specific protections. It doesn’t mean that private companies are required to give you a microphone. I highly doubt Spotify will take Rogan off the air anytime soon considering how much money he makes them, but if they did it wouldn’t be restricting his free speech in any way as there are a magnitude of other places he can talk, from other online platforms to a soapbox on the corner of 5th Ave.
Said this elsewhere but the private company bullshit is a weak argument. If a private individual owned 5th Ave., would it mean there was no freedom of speech there? Are we “pro” private property suddenly? I really don’t understand the inconsistency here.
What’s your address? Id like to stop by and spew hateful racist bs from your front lawn. I’m sure all your neighbors won’t think you are also a hateful racist just because I’m doing that on your property. Please make sure the megaphone is setup for me.
As if I own property! But if you want to pop round, I’ll put the kettle on.
How is deplatforming restricting free speech? He can still go on the street corner and spout his nonsense.
Rogan is an utter piece of filth and trash. You should more explicitly say that rather than your milquetoast description of him.
The Milky Bars are on me, femme lit.
I can’t believe people really support restricting free speech, it blows my mind. Is it a generational thing?
Im going to go out on a limb and guess you’re not a minority.
Because when people use their “free speech” to harass you and make your like worse, then worshiping the bastardised idea of “free speech” suddenly isnt very appealing.
Well that would be harassment, which I wouldn’t support. In fact, yeah, that should be illegal. But the right of people to say stupid stuff, you know… I may not agree with what you have to say, etc.
Okay, but then the question becomes: If harassment should be illegal then should a call for other people to harass someone be illegal?
Then if you say yes to that the question then becomes: should a thinly veiled call to harass someone be illegal?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_no_one_rid_me_of_this_turbulent_priest%3F
Then if you agree with that, you have to draw a line about how obvious a dog whistle needs to be.
I’m familiar with Thomas Becket, thank you though.
Rogan, who signed a $200 million contract with Spotify in 2020, has repeatedly embraced the unsubstantiated claim that federal law enforcement and intelligence agencies used “agent provocateurs” such as Epps to manipulate the crowd to attack the Capitol. In past episodes, Rogan said the intelligence community had a “vested interest in this going sideways,” adding that “if somebody wanted to disparage a political party or to maybe have some sort of a justification for getting some influential person like Donald Trump offline, that would be the way they would do it.”
What a slimeball
It’s just pure gaslighting. “That time you saw Trump tell people to march down to the Capitol after telling them to “fight like hell” was totally unrelated to what happened at the Capitol a short time later.”
It is this. Trump sent his worshipers down to the capital after getting them all riled up on lies he told them. And many of his followers have mental issues and they are uneducated and ill informed. HE didn’t go with them like he said because he knew it would be violent.
I’m not pinning this on mental illness. That is a scapegoat. Plenty of people, including myself, have mental illness and don’t ever resort to any sort of thing even resembling this behavior. These are simply bad, entitled people who were angry that the universe didn’t revolve around them for once.
Were some of the people there mentally ill that day? Statistically, almost inevitably. Most of those people were not even approaching a level of mental illness where they were unaware of the consequences of their actions.
Don’t forget that he knew a substantial amount of them were armed and dangerous. His security detail told him so when he insisted they remove the magnetometers to let the armed crazy people fill in his rally more. The Jan 6 committee showed this during their hearings.
Yep. Trump knew he had a angry mob under his control and he pointed them at the capital and pull the trigger.
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