So “magical thinking” explains why they believe this stuff in the first place, but what explains why they keep believing it after it doesn’t work? Even in a fantasy setting, it doesn’t make sense. If you thought vampires couldn’t come into your house uninvited but then a vampire did exactly that, you’d run away. These people would lecture the vampire about what his weaknesses really were and then go online and complain that the vampire sucked their blood when he wasn’t supposed to.
why they keep believing it after it doesn’t work
If
theseany people knew basic logic, religion would be very upset.They’re desperate. And they found thier defense mechanism. Having others that also go along with the same fantasy just creates a cycle of denial.
Wait… did you just describe SovCit beliefs… or Religion in general?
Por que no los dos?
They’re the same picture
I think this is the thing that most confuses me about all these sovcits, they are presented with demonstrable evidence and refuse to accept it
Every sovcit interaction is answered with either “you win”, “it’ll work itself out in court”, or “the system is ignoring its own rules to win”.
Every prayer is answered with “yes”, “no”, or “later”.
Unfalsifiable claims gonna be unfalsifiable.
It more or less starts with the mostly true belief that everything is contracts as far as the government is concerned. Then they apply the faulty logic that they can unilaterally withdraw from any contract they feel like. From there everything more or less follows a predictable pattern that they can pick and choose contracts to follow at their discretion.
As far as I understand, when it doesn’t work for them they just double down, and assume they did something wrong in their arcane incantation of the magic law words, like they didn’t write their name in all caps or they
invokedwrote down the wrongspellrandom legalese phrase.When it doesn’t work, they’re being victimized and can loudly complain about it.
“I am filming everything! Now, NOW I’m turning into a creature of the shadows, ok? I don’t have a treaty with you, Nosferatu. Call our lawyer!” Crying wife: “Which one?”
From the little I’ve seen, it seems like they just think they got the magic incantation wrong somehow.
I love how they act like they didn’t essentially force the cops to remove them from the car. I’m no fan of cops basically ever, but they’re generally way more patient with sovcits than I would be. I’d be telling them we can skip right to the part where I break their window because I have other shit to do than listen to nonsense for 20 minutes. We all know where the conversation is going, let’s just move it along.
Considering sovcits have killed cops, cops are right to be apprehensive with them. I am no fan of cops either but honestly sovcits should be considered very dangerous.
I can say policy in my area is that when an officer gets a whiff of sovereign citizen, they immediately call for available backup.
They should. Any extremist should be treated with caution, even as silly as these twits are.
Whoa I’ve never heard of that. What happened?
It’s an awful story ( https://abcnews.go.com/WN/deadly-arkansas-shooting-sovereign-citizens-jerry-kane-joseph/story?id=11065285). These father and teenage son sovcits got pulled over in Arkansas and started shooting, killed two cops. There was more gunfire and eventually both sovcits died as well.
Ugh. Imagine going through your life so scared and paranoid that you’re ready to do a mass shooter style “I’m taking as many people with me as I can” shooting.
Should sovcit just be it’s own community? Every post here seems to be about them
A lot of us have been encouraging Bones to keep posting here lately because it keeps the community alive
Also, it’s addictive. The posts make your head hurt, but the erudite comments make the pain go away.
Why? These are insane people and posts. Seems to fit in. I think other posts are allowed also. Be the change you wish to see.
Exactly. Stop thinking like Reddit where everything needs some tiny niche community. Lemmy is not big enough yet. If you don’t like it, block the words “sovcit” or “sovereign” and you won’t see them.
I don’t make people only look at what I like. I say “that’s dumb”, downvote, and move on.
Is it on FB? Yes Is it an insane person? Yes
I think it’s appropriate here
Why are you complaining about someone posting appropriate content, instead of posting other crazy Facebook people to diversify content?
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Don’t see others (myself included) jumping up and down to post. OP is practically keeping the lights on single-handedly here. I’m not complaining.
- it’s insane, and
- it’s Facebook.
'nuf said.
At least someone is posting content.
They’re so reliably crazy though.
And every second comment is about splitting or renaming this community
At least this community knows what a sovcit is.
Private tags for private roads. The state owns the public roads and represents the public. We’ve all agreed to pitch in costs and register vehicles on our roads. If you want to use them, that’s all you have to do, otherwise it’s trespassing.
How do you feel about the Amish using buggies on roads without license plates or paying gas tax?
Buggies are animal-powered, and by law (in nearly all states) that exempts the vehicle from needing plates. You don’t have to be Amish to “take advantage” of this “loophole.”
Good news for the sovcits then! Let’s hope they never discover this loophole
Around here you can drive “farm implements” on roads without licenses. I know a redneck dude who drives his tractor to go to the legion since he lost his drivers license.
Or cargo bikes. Lots of homemade modified bikes at ours.
Can’t drink and drive if it doesn’t count as driving! *taps noggin*
I didn’t agree to a contract forbidding me from drinking and travelling privately!
Indiana actually does require a license plate and fee for a horse drawn carriage. Most other states do not at this time, though there are proposals in some.
Ah, that’s why I was about to tell OP that wasn’t true. I’m in Indiana and haven’t ever seen Amish people when I’ve been to other states.
Buggies are very popular here in Kansas and they’re not allowed to use most of the roads. They have to obey the same traffic laws as everybody else.
In central PA they’re all over the main roads and cause extensive wear and tear as well as traffic jams
If I drove as slow as they ride I’d be pulled over for obstructing the flow of traffic
“This time”
That means that it has happened at least once before, meaning that one can hope to see them recognize a pattern of behavior when they keep doing their dumb shit.
Eh who am I kidding, they’ll just keep looking for that one magic spell that will solve their issues.
I was hoping to see him get pulled out of the car
Thank you I couldn’t find it.
One thing they could try to reduce the chances of this happening again is to stop being a sovcit. I hear that shit works wonders.
I like how this guy has a folder for this scenario.
Or he could just keep his registration and license current, like the rest of us, and not have drawn out pointless arguments with the cops.
But he’s not arguing! He doesn’t answer questions because he’s private and thus travelling, which isn’t driving, and thus he doesn’t need to answer the questions, thereby in accordance with UCC 101.69-LOL… /S
Well there’s his problem. He’s driving a paper car.
We should rename this community to sovpeoplefacebook
The thing is a lot of the insane people of Facebook are crazy in a depressing way, like they’re schizophrenic or conservative or antivaxxers and it just makes me sad. Sovcits are guaranteed hilarity who are doing this to themselves. So they make for good content.
I’m here for it!
The private tag is “I Shoot Highwayman” which is just too long.
When I was 24 I met a guy who was enjoying wierd concepts and philosophy, as one does, as I also do. We traded some books and ideas, he was around for a few months. But he got into SovCit stuff talking with me. I thought, this guys nice, but he dont shower much, I dont know about this SovCit stuff.
A few months later the national police force showed up at my house looking for one of my guys, he wasnt there but I took the opportunity to ask the officers about this SovCit idea… they were angry at first but once I calmed them down they explained to me that SovCits are just nutters that lose in court…
And thats the story of how I learned not to go to jail by trying to make up my own rules as I go along.
