I‘m super excited about all the hard evidence we will surely get to see very soon! Can’t wait!
He heard of all the evidence from another dude and he said “trust me bro”, this has to be valid!!!
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Why would the DoD be immune to having crazy people? 90% of the crazy people I’ve met in my life have served at some point. It’s not like the DoD is known for their robust mental health screening and/or treatment facilities.
Because we rely on them for our military and infrastructure. And yes the DoD is known to mentally screen people before hiring them.
like the guy recently who was obviously mentally unstable and was still allowed to work with and eventually leak sentitive info on fuckin discord? hows your “”“screening”“” going?
The DoD top secret clearance requires a polygraph and an extensive background check. They really don’t let just anyone join.
Polygraphs are nonsense.
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Good job they’re reliable and not absolute pieces of junk that mean fuck all. Oh, wait.
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Honestly it’s probably just bullshit they made up because if they didn’t find something else to do the gov would have to help regular people.
I actually think it’s bullshit to try and trick China into thinking the ship based laser missile defence system is able to create sustained plasma interactions at high altitude, they used to do the same to the Soviets all the time - push fake news so they’d waste r&d money. They hope china sees how much effort they’re going to with this farce and assumes it’s to hide the experimental anti missile defences which are the actual source of the tictac videos and radar recordings.
But I think that’s just me being hopeful, I wouldn’t be surprised if the US gov doesn’t know if they have probably the biggest and most important discovery in centuries being kept secret by shadowy secret agencies so they need to hold hearings with obscure and clearly oddball whistle blowers to try and find out…
Mountains and mountains of evidence!!
Remember “Alien Autopsy” back in the 90s?
Presented with a completely deadpan face by Jonathan Frakes from Star Trek: TNG, I thought at the time just what a coincidence it was that this “bold” bit of “journalism” came out at precisely a time when Hollywood had developed its’ makeup and prostheses technology enough to make a visually believable fake video on the subject.
A very large coincidence indeed. Wouldn’t you say?
And so it always is and has been with this subject and the people that swirl around t.A fraction of Anonymous apparently hacked into secret NASA servers and obtained massive amount of documents containing UPOs and UFOs. Soon to be revealed.
Oh come on. Anonymous, apparently, soon … classic bullshit cocktail if I‘ve ever seen one. All they do is ddos websites these days.
lmao. “soon”
I’ll believe it when I see it.
You know it when you see it. Believing is for things you never have seen.
Thats the point of the phrase. The idea is so unbelievable that it needs to be personally verified before it can be taken seriously…
Not to mention, you can see something and still not ‘know’ - stage magic, for one.
See also: ‘it has to be seen to be believed’; ‘i cant believe my eyes’; the word ‘unbelievable’
No end of useless pedantry these days
Yeah, no. You’re equating belief with faith.
I don’t “believe” things until that belief is justified.
Question for you, do you believe in Evolution?
Bruh. Literally thousands of studies out there demonstrate the principle of evolution. You need only look at dog breeding or crop breeding to see it in action, albeit human induced instead of natural.
We dont believe in evolution because one guy said it was true. And dont give me that ‘hurr durr but Darwin said it was true’ nonsense. He did (as did other contemporaries of his time) but it wasnt accepted until overwhelming evidence from countless observations and studies made it obvious.
Now lets look at this situation. One guy says he heard the government has non human remains. Not exactly the analogy you thought you were making.
And Ill cut this off at the pass because the next argument I always hear usually boils down to ‘we can only know what we see’ which is basically a solopsist argument. Which is self defeating because then you absolutely cant argue there’s merit to this guy’s testimony because you cant be sure of anything.
Except it’s not just one guy saying aliens are here, it’s hundreds, and these three said it under oath unlike the scientists you speak of. Yet you believe the word of the scientists and not the word of these men. You don’t see the hypocrisy there?
Easy, Mac
The scientists dont just say it. They document and present evidence, which is then reviewed, reproduced and confirmed by other scientists
These men… not so much
I have bigfoot in my fridge. I will testify to this under oath. Now you must believe me.
Oh fuck.
@DaughterOfMars @Holyginz You can see it scientifically. So, yes.
Oh, you can, surely. But have you? As Mac says, “Have you seen these fossil records? Have you poured through the data yourself? The numbers, the figures?”
Confidently denying something because you haven’t personally seen the evidence makes you look as much an idiot as confidently accepting it without evidence.
My guy, as respectfully as possible what the fuck are you smoking
Crack cocaine, what of it?
@DaughterOfMars Are you asking if I was “boots on the ground” with archeologists? Nope. However, considering humans, I consider people admitting they might be wrong and adopting better concepts as evolution. Evolution is not about intelligence, but, adaptation to survive. I would say I have seen evolution, personally, in my life.
@DaughterOfMars Funny thing…our “intelligence” went only so far. Now, it seems that all the people who piggybacked the science and don’t truly understand it are going to kill us.
Bit of a nitpick, but adaptation is not evolution. I was about to say that you cannot observe capital E Evolution in your own lifetime but then I remembered stuff on the bacterial scale that reproduces at break neck pace and is absolutely observable. HIV is one of these examples.
@ngdev Coronavirus, too.
@ngdev Thank you.
@ngdev I think semantics plays a part in this, too. Survival of the fittest, so to speak.
Indeed, micro-evolution is quite fast because the rate of mutation is relatively high and generations are short. Macro-evolution is actually not generally well-understood by lay-people, primarily because it involves thinking on a scale that is so far outside of our short lifetimes. Not many people are capable of thinking on a scale outside of their own asses let alone across thousands of generations, hence the severe level of closed-mindedness in this thread alone…
I think the idea I was referencing when I mentioned evolution not being observable in one’s lifetime is actually better stated as:
Evolution cannot be observed in the lifetime of an individual of the species in question. I.E. A HIV “cell” won’t live to see the evolved, drug-resistant ones down the line
There’s no such thing as micro- and macro-evolution, those are terms made up by creationists to try to deny the existence of evolution in the face of direct observation of evolution
Here’s my point: Your reasons for believing in Evolution are your own, but don’t pretend that you know it for a fact. We all have to accept things we cannot personally verify to make progress as a society and that very progress should be your driving force, NOT your own biases.
@DaughterOfMars If that is the answer, why ask the question? Science is not my “bias.” We can choose to teust the professionals or not. I just gave you my reason for my belief that evolution is real and how I have seen it. I left Twitter for this type of ridicule from religious nuts and flat earthers. I take it you saw my profile. Regardless, make peace with yourself and have humility.
😂 Why on earth would you think I give a shit about you enough to read your profile? How self-centered can you be…unbelievable. Maybe you should ask yourself why you’re spending time in a community about UFOs if you’re not willing to accept the possibility that they exist. You realize that makes you one of those trolls you mention, don’t you? Don’t you??
Have you ever seen your brain? I didn’t. Can I assume that you have a pile of racoon vomit instead of it? Of course I can, and actually I will, and I will not allow for any other information until you personally show me the entirety of your brain.
Now you’re getting it!
I get what you are trying to say, but one thing is a completely belief system while the other can be verified and ha been verified by several people that have studied it. Like, yeah you can “study” theism but you will never be able to see the evidence, while in the other case, you can.
I decide to trust people that have shown images and data about the evidence, that are way more prepared than me to research that field. I don’t have enough interest to actually do all the groundwork myself, so I decide to trust the people that are authorities in that field, whom have the proven experience and studies that validate their authority.
As I said, I cannot do the same thing with religious facts, it’s all “he said, she said, it’s in the book, the Lord commanded”… There’s no evidence, no real infraestructure of proof and validation, it’s a complete belief system, and that’s why I don’t consider those people and organizations authorities in these kind of topics.
It’s really simple tbh.
Duh
You make my point so eloquently. You take it as a matter of fact that Evolution exists, despite never actually validating this yourself. It is, in your eyes, ridiculous to think that it doesn’t exist – after all, you were taught that it does in school. But before the 19th century the theory of Evolution didn’t even exist. Probably some speculated about it, but were not taken seriously. Yet you have fully accepted it without, as you say, seeing it.
Yea, that doesn’t prove anything. There’s countless research and information documenting evolution happening over time. Hell there are some cases of it noticeably happening as well. There is no information about these "ufo"s outside of what is mentioned here. No data that’s currently available to back it up and nothing to prove that this person coming forward isn’t being told incorrect information themselves. The likelihood of something like this is so statistically low that nobody should be taking it at face value without verifiable proof. “Trust me bro” is not, never has been and never will be good enough scientifically.
Do you think, then, that we should reverse any decisions made purely on witness testimony? Grusch spent four years investigating this in his official position and is testifying under oath that he has seen incontrovertible evidence of it. That IS proof, and about as damn good testimony as we’ve ever had in our history.
But look, I know you’re not going to change your mind, because you are as inflexible in your beliefs as a brick. I’m only making a point here because other, more mature folks may happen upon it and I want them to know how much of a mongoloid you are for coming into a UFO community just to fart out your brain-dead, parroted opinion for us all to ruminate in.
Lol, I couldn’t care less about the insults of someone lacking critical thinking skills who upon being called out for lack of scientific knowledge tries to act intelligent without even understanding the concepts you are trying to talk about. If they provide actual evidence I will believe it. Until then I’m not buying it. You are free to continue believing anyone who makes am unsubstantiated claim before any evidence is provided. Oh, and I know a saying that you should really take to heart. “It’s better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and prove you are.” Just a little friendly advice, hope it was eloquent enough for you to understand :)
Do you think, then, that we should reverse any decisions made purely on witness testimony?
Yes. Eyewitness testimony alone shouldn’t be enough to convict anyone.
Ah, so then you think Bill Cosby should walk free, yes?
‘Mongoloid’ is a slur - it was once used to refer to people with Down Syndrome, due to a C19th doctor comparing physical features of Down Syndrome parients with those of Mongolian people.
This doctor wrote that Down Syndrome was a reversion to an ‘inferior race’.
It is both racist and ablist :/
I hear you, but to be completely honest almost all of our “insult” words and phrases are derived from pretty abhorrent places. There’s really no point in substituting one for the other when you’re trying to tell someone you think they are stupid.
We don’t need to validate that it exists because science has proven it over and over countless times.
Have you ever validated for yourself that an element like lithium exists?
Have you ever validated for yourself that nuclear fission exists?
Have you ever validated for yourself that E=mc^2?
Have you ever validated for yourself that antibiotics like penicillin actually do what they purport to do?
Nope, but I don’t go around pretending I have. You see, unlike you I am open to changing my opinion based on evidence.
Pretty sure that’s exactly what “believe it when I see it” means.
No, it means “I am going to dismiss any and all evidence until such a time as it satisfies my definition of believable.”
Not to mention your example is extremely flawed. Evolution usually happens over long periods of time and you can only see the results of it. What they are claiming is something physical that you can see and touch and acquire physical proof of. It’s not even remotely the same.
You’re saying there’s no physical proof of evolution?
No, he explicitly said we see the results of it.
evolution
Doesn’t require “belief”. Like gravity, it unfolds with you or without you.
I just… Don’t believe it. I generally believe there is more going on than nothing but if the US had a spaceship with an alien body then we are really fucking bad at capitalizing on that technology, past the point of believability.
I believe aliens exist, somewhere in the universe. Statistically it seems inevitable, I just don’t believe they’ve visited earth or even know we exist, just like we don’t know they exist. You can sit on something like that, there would be much better evidence than grainy fake looking videos and second hand accounts.
Earth is a very early stable planet, I’m sure there will be lots more species in the coming billions of years. We might even be the most advanced civilization in the galaxy. But we’ll probably never contact anyone else, best we do is notice signs of life on a distant planet.
I know this sounds kinda kooky but personally my (completely no basis) guess is that UFOs (in the most convincing video evidence) are some kind of natural phenomenon that exists partially outside of our understanding of physics. If they have some sort of intelligence and they aren’t just random noise, I think they would be so different from us as to be utterly unparsable. If all that is true and they interact with us, their motivations would be similarly unknowable.
I’m depressingly not convinced faster than light travel will ever be possible, especially for humans or human-like organisms…
I’m very interested in them though. I’m very hopeful that studying them seriously might lead to some incredible insights about physics.
depressingly not convinced faster than light travel will ever be possible, especially for humans or human-like organisms…
I think you’re right, the only chance we’ll ever have at reaching another habitual world (if we ever even detect one well enough) is with cryogenics and/or colony ships. It’ll take hundreds, possibly thousands of years till we’re at that point thought. Especially when our civilization puts so little into space travel. We should really have a moon base at this point.
Corridor Crew has debunked the Pentagon videos as camera artifacts and optical illusions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHDlfIaBEqw
These guys are filmmakers and really know cameras, optics and VFX so I have confidence in their explanations.
Not what I would call debunked. They pointed out the nothingburger of the lot as a nothingburger, and then for the hard to explain ones they just had possible guesses, and only commented on the videos themselves and accounted for none of the reported contexts of the videos. They basically contributed by talking about lenses and then saying they don’t know what is in the videos.
Gonna be real dude I have a lot more confidence in the Navy than I have in “these guys from YouTube”
Exactly this. There’s no serious doubt about what those videos show: image processing and sensor artifacts.
And those fake voiceovers made by UFO conspiracy theorists, lol.
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The NHIs being discussed by Grusch and others have not been stated to be ETs, but rather the current thought is interdimensional.
That wasn’t the current thought in the hearing, he expressly stated that that was one interesting possibility that was discussed in a purely theoretical context
Sure, but several people have brought this up as “an interesting possibility”, and all of them have shyd away from saying ET. So they didn’t confidently or unambiguously state it, but that’s kinda the implication and where their head is at.
IIRC the proper answer is “we don’t know the origin, but we haven’t had any reason to think they came from space”.
This seems like a very weird view considering the amount of people who have been saying that they communicate telepathically with us.
Could be future humans for all we know.
I take peoples claims of telepathic communications with aliens with the biggest grain of salt I can find.
I can’t assume there are none that are real, but I can and will assume all day that some people just have alien themed mental quirks. And I don’t think poorly of people with less believable stories, I’m just interested in the evidence that is more difficult to explain away.
Oh OK. Well that explains why you see things the way you do I guess. :)
Funny how no one bats an eye when a german shepherd sniffs out a missing person based on almost undetectable particles or a bird knows exactly which direction is north, but we scoff at the idea that there may be ways to communicate with your brain alone. Why? Because that’s the stuff of TV and movies – fiction. Culturally, I think we’ve been so disheartened by our inability to realize our most extravagant dreams of the future (hovercars and etc) that we have basically fallen into thinking that the mere existence of a topic in science fiction discounts its credibility as a real-world subject. This is why we get articles like “Scientists say they are closer to Star Trek Warp Drive”, where everything must be tempered just in case. We don’t want to look like we actually believe in Science Fiction, now do we?
The difference is the dog sniffing and bird knowing what way is north is testable and verifiable while claims of telepathy are not lmao
So you think we’ve always known how that works then? There was never a time when that was simply magic?
I think you have assumed I’ve taken a stronger stance against this than I meant to.
The reason I’m less interested in that as evidence is simply because we don’t have a way to seperate true from untrue, and if we accept all as true there are obvious contradictions. I’m just focusing on stuff that could be disproven but hasn’t, rather than the stuff that can’t be disproven yet. Keyword, yet.
I’m of the opinion that it is likely many things people would describe as supernatural exist in some form as something science has not yet understood. IMO “the supernatural” doesn’t “exist” simply because its a word we use for the natural that we don’t understand.
But that doesn’t mean all of everything is true. Mental illness is definitely also a thing, and probably more common than the unexplained.
I try to look at it all with my own proprietary blend of kindness, cynicism, optimism, and skepticism.
I didn’t mean to go for your throat, you just brought up a topic I wanted to address. However, I will say that the problem is not that people refuse to believe that telepathy exists. Obviously we have no proof of that. The issue is that people deny that it exists, with no evidence. These people, many of whom would claim to believe in science, are completely ignoring the scientific method. We must accept that either possibility could be true until one is proven. Instead, they take a hard stance that everything is bullshit unless they personally see proof. “I’ll believe it when I see it” et al.
Some food for thought. We have already proven that it is possible to read minds, using a simple MRI machine and electro-magnetic fields. We now have neural networks that can describe what you are seeing just by observing the patterns in your brain. Who’s to say definitively that telepathy is impossible?
Just so you know, faster-than-light travel is not necessary to explore the stars. With enough constant acceleration (which seems to be achievable with the tech that these craft have demonstrated) you could go pretty much anywhere in the galaxy in your lifetime. The obvious downside is that the further you go, the more time-dilation becomes an issue for everyone else. For example, you may travel ~9 light years to Sirius in a matter of months from your perspective, but 10 years pass for everyone else. Still, if your goal is to explore, I find this to be quite a decent trade-off, and given that we are already making strides in life-extension that time may become a non-issue very quickly.
You have massively misunderstood physics if you think that people could travel faster than light and cross a galaxy in a single lifetime
And you clearly did not read my post?
I don’t want to be rude but this isn’t correct as far as my understanding. I’m no expert, so I’m not confident in my ability to describe exactly how… But the phrase “you may travel ~9 light years to Sirius in a matter of months from your perspective, but 10 years pass for everyone else.” I don’t think that is correct exactly.
Again not trying to be rude and I am very happy to be corrected but I want to understand it.
The time dilation effect is pretty well known and comes naturally from the equations of the General Relativity Theory.
It’s also been proven experimentally in particle accelerators (like CERN) when particles with at rest very short and well known half-lives (i.e. they natural break down into other particles some time after being created) lasted a lot longer (from our point of view) when travelling at near light speed.
However that effect only really starts getting noticeable without special equipment when the speed something is travelling at is getting near the speed of light (something like 90% or more of light speed).
This works correctly for the example of the previous poster because the distance to Sirius is given in light-years, which is literally the number of years that takes light (which by definition travels at the speed of light) to travel that distance.
(By the way, from the same equations from were you get time dilation comes that from the point of view light the trip is instantaneous)
So yeah, travelling a distance of that takes light 9 years to travel would be theoretically possible to do so fast (near light speed) that it would seem for those doing the trip to only take a few months (even though for those outside it would still seem to take longer than 9 years - as it takes light 9 years to get there so something at sublight speeds would take longer than the 9 years that takes for light).
Yeah, this is highly counter intutive so it “feels” wrong. If fact, the whole General Theory Of Relativity is highly counter intuitive. Yet, quite independently of what intuition (which is just a destilation of our personal experience) tells us, all that we’ve been able to observe so far in applicable situations is things happenning as predicted by that theory, not “intuition”.
I’ll put it another way then: any information you intended to send back after you arrive in Sirius would take ~9 years to arrive back home. Due to causality, this means that you cannot interact with Earth in any way for – at minimum – 9 years. However, from your perspective, you accelerated at let’s say 10 Gs (speed increased by 98 meters per second every second), until you were half-way to Sirius, which will take about 5 months. Then you decelerated at -10 Gs to arrive with 0 speed, another 5 months. You perceive only 10 months of travel, but you are now 9 light-years from home.
The math is not the part which is difficult, and requires only a basic understanding of relativistic physics. The issue is maintaining 10 Gs of constant acceleration for 10 months.
Yeesh I’m just not good at that kind of stuff. Time dialation is what is making this hard for me to wrap my head around, but basically the big issue with this method of travel is you need infinite energy (which might be something these ships somehow do) and its like fast forwarding into the future, so even if you go back immediately it will be like you were gone ~18 years but only experience less than 2.
It is certainly an interesting thing to think about, but sounds depressing in practice. If this is the practical way that some beings have traveled here, I feel like we are missing a piece of the puzzle for long distance space travel. Maybe they have a way to do something about time dilation. Or maybe they just don’t ever die…
The energy necessary to accelerate a bit more increases as the speed that object is travelling gets closer to the speed of light and indeed mathematically as the speed of the object gets closer to the actual speed of light the energy necessary to accelerate it gets closer to infinity.
If I remember it correctly it’s because in the General Relativity Theory in the acceleration equation (not sure anymore if it was the one that relates Force to Acceleration or the Acceleration and Velocity one) the mass of the object isn’t actually a constant amount but depends on its current velocity (it’s as if the mass became larger with velocity). Just like for the whole time dilation stuff, this effect comes from the main equations and only really becomes noticeable closer to lightspeed (i.e. at relativistic speeds, called that because that’s when you notice the effects of the Theory of Relativity, such as time dilation).
So the energy necessary to get to speeds below lightspeed yet close enough to have relatistic effects is not at all infinite, hence it is possible to reach relativistic speeds with the whole time dilation, redshift of light and other such effects, maybe even with current technology (I think we already have the tech to accelerate a ship to near lightspeed by having ground-based lasers pointed at a mirror on the back of it (so the light gets reflected - though that stuff has incredibly low acceleration as you’re literally pushing that ship with photons plus ground-based lasers inside the Earth’s athmosphere would was tons of energy due to the athmosphere).
In fact the very same experiments with subatomic particles that showed time dilation effects in their decay (which I mentioned in another comment) also showed it is possible to accelerate something to the point of having time dilation effects without infinite energy (if it happenned then it was possible to make it happen :))
@Stoneykins @DaughterOfMars Some don’t. Some use manufactured bodies.
You don’t need infinite energy, to be clear. Mathematically, you would need infinite energy to cross the light-speed barrier, which is why we don’t believe that it is possible. You would simply need a LOT of energy. How much would depend on the mass of the craft. Actually the bigger problem may be negating the internal G forces, as humans cannot survive 10 Gs for long (or at all), but again it seems that these UAPs are capable of that.
Or the universe is a dark forest, where civilizations that reveal themselves get snuffed out by more advanced civilizations so they can’t pose a threat in the future.
I read to much sci-fi.
I’ve always liked the theory, well more interested as it’s a pretty terrifying concept. I just don’t believe interstellar and lightspeed travel is common/easy enough for aliens to devote so much effort into seeking out life, travelling for hundreds/thousands of years just to destroy any other lifeforms it detects. There’s no benefit to either party really, any resource you could get on a habited planet you could find on a number of uninhabited ones without the massive expense of an intergalactic “war”.
Plus we’ve been sending out signals for years, we should already be dead - unless the aliens are going to take 1000 years to get here. And I don’t see how it’s worth it.
There’s a short story by Harry Turtledove titled “The Road not Taken.”
You should read it.
Basic synopsis: The secret to faster-than-light travel is trivial. It’s incredibly easy. So easy, in fact, that most species become spacefaring pretty early in their technological development. But, for one reason or another, we just never noticed it, and never developed the technology. So where other species’ development stagnated as they put all their resources into interstellar conquest, we just… kept developing. So when aliens find us and launch their invasion, we kick the complete and total ever-loving dogshit out of them and steal their technology. Look at me. I am the captain now.
It’s relatively short, available online, and you could probably read it in 20 minutes. It’s definitely worth a read.
Yeah it’s just a theory and one that’s not likely true, but I recently read the Remembrance of Earth’s Past trilogy and the dark forest theory plays a central role in those books so it was fresh in my mind. Fascinating and terrifying to think about.
We’re really bad at a lot of things, despite what we have achieved. Just because you have a piece of material doesn’t mean you can just recreate it. It’s like Newton being handed a CPU. He may even be able to look at the nanoscale structures but he sure as shit can’t recreate it. We’re simply that far behind.
The other day I heard a great line somewhere: Consider how humans and apes share almost 99% of their DNA. You’ll still have a tough time trying to explain the stock market to them.
It kinda sounded that people have gotten badly injured trying to reverse engineer this tech. Maybe its simply impossible with our current knowledge. Similar to that native village that build fake planes, fake air-towers and fake headsets after a visit from the modern world.
There was a theory i read a while ago based on some whistleblower reports that pilot and ship where one entity somehow and that the pilot was able to control things inside the ship from wherever they are. Same report also mentioned that spacetime works differently inside and is bigger similar to a Tardis.
I don’t believe this is all true, but if the truth is even slightly similar it comes as no surprise that we have not yet figured out how to replicate it.
Trust me bro
Doubt
Good to see AOC asking decent questions, and the non partisan nature of the hearing was really interesting. No political point scoring whatsoever except for one republican at the start.
This is the most convincing part, in a political climate that can be called divisive at best.
Seeing AOC and Gaetz working together on the same issue is positively blowing my mind and gives me hope that a disclosure is coming.
If it involves, “its classified” its fake.
If the story involves naked aliens, its fake.
If it involves abductions, humans are doing the abducting, or its fake.
So it’s humans abducting clothed aliens by that logic?
Dang! Fooled again!
Yeah? I got sky trash and some chicken in the fridge too! They ain’t special.
Why do aliens only crash in the USA?
The people in Varginha Brazil would like a word
I want to meet a Brazilian Varginhas.
As mentioned in the hearings yesterday, this is a worldwide, common phenomenon.
That just makes it so much harder to belive for me, aliens literally raining down all over the earth but somehow despite not being able to agree on literally anything ever it’s just standard procedure for every country in the world to do a perfect cover up of such a hugely significant thing?
I don’t think this is as secret as you think it is
UK : https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ufos/
New Zealand: https://natlib.govt.nz/records/22979464
You can find this stuff everywhere. UAPs rarely “crash” per records worldwide. Crashes seem to be very old finds.
Also there is always the chance it’s a massive embezzlement scheme too, which is also worth investigation.
Nah see that’s the “best” part. Supposedly, the UFO crashed into Fascist Italy in the 1930s and the Vatican, of all things, found out and back-channeled the information to the US, and the US only, for whatever reason. It then apparently just chilled in Mussolinis lockbox for a decade until the US supposedly retrieved the craft in 1945 after wars end.
This is some Indiana Jones shit. Ark of the Covenant whistleblower, where you at?
He said they retrieve some of the artifacts from italy after the war
That title leaves room for speculation, my guess:
““A boomerang of unidentified ownership has hit the presidents dog on the head, it succumbed to its injuries” - secret service member says”
Oh wait its multiple “non-human” bodies
Just waiting to find out it was UFOs sent by Russian driven Bears. Which would fit the nonhuman bodies.
Wow, what a braindead comment section.
“Hurr durr there’s no evidence.”
This is, ironically, the most braindead fucking comment in here lmao
Ok, Mr. CIA spook guy.
Yep, they’re really coming out of the woodwork.
