Also, any number whose digits sum to a multiple of 3 is divisible by 3. For 51, 5+1=6, and 6 is a multiple of 3, so 51 can be cleanly divided by 3.
I’d forgotten this trick. It works for large numbers too.
122,300,223÷3 = 40,766, 741
1+2+2+3+2+2+3 = 15
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I wish I could read 😞
Just squint and wing it.
That is way too accurate. Lol
^ This. The thing about Arsenal is they always try and walk it in.
Also works with 9s!
The neat part is that if you add the numbers together and they’re still too large to tell, you can do it again. In your example, you get 15. If you do it again, you get 6, which isn’t the best example because 15 is pretty obvious, but it works.
But how do I prove it for 6
Get 6 apples. Duh.
There is a mathematical proof that 1 + 1 = 2 so surely you could make a proof for 6 ÷ 3 = 2
Prove it for 2, then un-distribute.
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She turned me into a newt!
…I got better
Fuck you and take an upvote for coming here to state what I was going to when I immediately summed 5+1 to 6 and felt clever thinking “well I do know it’s not prime and divisible by 3” Shakes fist
I’ll get you NEXT time logicbomb!
Posted the same info. Silly me
Same with 9. There are rules for every number at least through 13 that I once knew…
I only know rules for 2 (even number), 3 (digits sum to 3), 4 (last two digits are divisible by 4), 5 (ends in 5 or 0), 6 (if it satisfies the rules for both 3 and 2), 9 (digits sum to 9), and 10 (ends in 0).
I don’t know of one for 7, 8 or 13. 11 has a limited goofy one that involves seeing if the outer digits sum to the inner digits. 12 is divisible by both 3 and 4, so like 6, it has to satisfy both of those rules.
7 is double the last number and subtract from the rest
749 (easily divisible by 7 but for example sake)
9*2=18
74-18=56
6*2=12
5-12= -7, or if you recognize 56 is 7*8…
I’ll do another, random 6 digit number appear!
59271
1*2=2
5927-2=5925
5*2=10
592-10=582
2*2=4
58-4=54, or not divisible
I guess for this to work you should at least know the first 10 times tables…
Another way to tell if 59271 is divisible by 7 is to divide it by 7. It will take about the same amount of time as the trick you’re presenting, and then you’ll already have the result.
But at least I seems like you could do that trick in your head
If you have no interest in the result of the division, then you can also do the division in your head, without retaining the result, with about the same effort.
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I’m sure every digit has rules to figure it out if you get technical enough.
I looked up a rule for 7, and it seems like it would take about the same amount of time as actually dividing the number by 7.
Meanwhile, it looks like the rule for 8 is to see if the last 3 digits are divisible by 8, which seems like a real time save for big numbers.
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11 is alternating sum
So, first digit minus second plus third minus fourth…
And then check if that is divisible by 11.
What does the proof for this look like?
90°
And since both 3 and 17 are prime numbers, that makes 51 a semiprime number
Which is not really rare under 100.
Which is why it feels kind of prime, imho. I don’t know if other people get this, but I get a sense of which two-digit numbers are prime probably because of how often they show up in times tables and other maths operations.
3*17 isn’t a common operation though and doesn’t show up in tables like that, so people probably aren’t generally familiar with it.
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Does this also work the other way round, i.e. do all multiples of three have digits that sum to a multiple of 3? All the ones I’ve checked so far do, but is it proven?
Indeed, an integer is divisible by 3 if and only if the sum of its digits is divisible by 3.
For proof, take the polynomial representation of an integer n = a_0 * 10^k + a_1 * 10^{k-1} + … + a_k * 1. Note that 10 mod 3 = 1, which means that 10^i mod 3 = (10 mod 3)^i = 1. This makes all powers of 10 = 1 and you’re left with n = a_0 + a_1 + … + a_k. Thus, n is divisible by 3 iff a_0 + a_1 + … + a_k is. Also note that iff answers your question then; all multiples of 3 have to, by definition, have digits whose sum is a multiple of 3
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Oh, neat trick!
Damn, logicbomb indeed!
51 = 3*17
3*17 = 17 + 17 + 17
17 + 17 + 17 = (10+7) + (10+7) + (10+7)
(10+7) + (10+7) + (10+7) = 30 + 21
30 + 21 = 51
yup, math checks out
I think you skipped a step:
1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1Edit: Ohhhh, math by tens, I totally missed it. In that case, my mind wants to break it down to
(10 * 5) + 1, and I’d still totally miss 17 as a possible factor.You miss a couple os steps too.
First, lets define the axioms, we’re using Peano’s for this exercise.
Axiom 1: 0 is a natural number.
Jump to axiom 6, define the succession function s(n) where s(n) = 0 is false, and for brevity s(0) = 1, s(s(0)) = 2 and so on…
51 = 3*17
3*17 = 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3
3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 = (2+1) + (2+1) + (2+1) + (2+1) + (2+1) + (2+1) + (2+1) + (2+1) + (2+1) + (2+1) + (2+1) + (2+1) + (2+1) + (2+1) + (2+1) + (2+1) + (2+1)
(2+1) + (2+1) + (2+1) + (2+1) + (2+1) + (2+1) + (2+1) + (2+1) + (2+1) + (2+1) + (2+1) + (2+1) + (2+1) + (2+1) + (2+1) + (2+1) + (2+1) = 34 + 17
34 + 17 = 51
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This is why I love the number 7. It’s the first real prime number. All the others are “first”…1?2?3?5? No, those aren’t prime numbers, they’re “first” in a long line of not-prime numbers.
Then you get to 7. Is 27943 divisible by 7? If you take away 3 is it? If you add 4 is?
I have no clue, give me 10 minutes or a calculator is the only answer
That’s what a real prime number is.
Take the last digit of the number, double it and subtract it from the rest. If that new number is divisible by 7, the original one is as well. For your example:
2794 - 6 = 2788
I know 2800 is divisible by seven, so 2788 is not. Thus 27943 is not divisible by 7.
Quick maff shows that neither subtracting 3 or adding 4 will make the original number divisible by 7. Adding 1 or subtracting 6 will tho.
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For divisibility by 13, take the last number, multiply by 4 and add to the rest.
For divisibility by 17, take the last number, multiply by 5 and subtract from the rest.
For divisibility by 19, take the last number, multiply by 2 and add to the rest.
In fact, you can adapt the method to check for divisibility by any prime number k.
Quick check for divisibility: subtract 7 from it. If the new number is divisible by 7, then the original number is too
okay I understand that this works, but is there a mathematical proof for this?
There is a mathematical algorithm that proves this works in all cases. However this rule is not actually all that impressive as it appears at first glance! The number of operations (comparisons/subtractions/multiplications) you need to do is equivalent to just long-dividing the number by 7.
Consider: each operation of the rule removes one digit from the end. But you could just as easily apply the rule like “If the first digit is >=7, subtract 7 from it. Else, subtract the biggest multiple of 7 that will fit from the first two digits.” To skip multiplying, you can use the following jump table: if the first digit is 6, subtract 54 from the first 2 digits, if 5 subtract 49, if 4: 35, if 3: 28, if 2: 14, if 1: 07. That will also remove one digit from the front! But now you are just doing long division.
But what about 14, 21 and 28?14 - 4*2 = 6, not divisible by 721 - 1*2 = 19, not divisible by 728 - 8*2 = 12, not divisible by 7Or did I misunderstand the algorithm?EDIT: I didn’t realize that you remove the last digit when subtracting, got corrected in the replies.
Yeah you got it wrong, it’s
1 - 4*2 = -7
2 - 1*2 = 0
2 - 8*2 = -14
First non fibonacci prime
Was this comment made by the timecube guy?
27943 - 7*1000 = 20943
20943 -7*3*1000 = 20943 - 21000 = -57
-57 is not divisible by 7 therefore 27943 is not divisible by 7.
The other posters algorithm was better, but I was exaggerating - ultimately my point is you have to math it out
Nobody told her that 100,000,001 is also divisible by 17
Holy crapballs
This one does more than the one OP showed
Amirite
Any number where the individual digits add up to a number divisible by ‘3’ is divisible by 3.
51 = 5+1 = 6, which is divisible by three.
Try it, you’ll see it always works.
There are tricks like that for a lot of numbers. For 7, chop off the last digit, double it and add it to what’s left. Repeat as required. If the result is divisible by 7 then the original number was. eg: 356 -> 35+12=47 not db7. 357 =>35+14 both db7 so we don’t even need to do the add.
Clever.
Girl.
double it and
add it tosubtract it from what’s left14: 1 + 8 = 7. Not db7
You clearly mean:
14: 1 + 8 = 9 (not db 7)
Someone else in this thread correctly stated:
“Chop of last digit, double it and subtract from what is left”
14: 1 - 8 = -7. (dB 7!)
Math is awesome, I didn’t know this trick!
Yes, that’s what I meant. The subtract rule works.
One of the reasons why I love the number 3. There are other neat digit sum tricks, see for example for the numbers 1 to 30 here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divisibility_rule
They didn’t teach stuff like this in school, which is silly. This is the kind of thing that a kid would eat up. It’s like they wanted to make sure people hated math.
My experience of maths in high school was being taught a trick or method to solve a really specific type of problem every week. Sometimes the method would build off something we’d learnt the previous week.
The whole thing was bottom-up learning where you get given piecemeal nuggets of information but never see the big picture. They completely lost me at around the age of 15. I eventually came back to maths later in life after studying formal logic in my philosophy undergrad degree.
I guess I was one of the lucky few who learned this in elementary school. And later again.
I first saw the nine times finger trick in the movie ‘Stand And Deliver.’ I remember seeing it written out on a blackboard at some point, but never the finger trick.
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I knew that worked with 9. Hmm, does it work with 6?
Doesn’t look like it.
Technically it does work for 6, more literally, still aiming for 3, not 6. That’s half of it, if the starting number is even and divisible by 3 then it is also divisible by 6.
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wait till she finds out that 0.99999… 9’s to infinity is the same as 1
Lmao how about …99999 = -1?
This one has always bothered me a bit because …999999 is the same as infinity, so when you’re “proving” this, you’re doing math using infinity as a real number which we all know it’s not.
Yes, you’re right this doesn’t work for real numbers.
It does however work for 10-adic numbers which are not real numbers. They’re part of a different number system where this is allowed.
You can also prove it a different way if you allow the use of the formula for finding the limit of the sum of a geometric series on a non-convergent series.
Sum(ar^n, n=0, inf) = a/(1-r)
So,
…999999
= 9 + 90 + 900 + 9000…
= 9x10^0 + 9x10^1 + 9x10^2 + 9x10^3…
= Sum(9x10^n, n=0, inf)
= 9/(1-10)
= -1
But why would you allow it?
Because you could argue that the series converges to …999999 in some sense
I love how every reply has like the opposite energy to the meme. I also find math to be generally awesome.
That’s Lemmy for you!
Math is hard, so I’m just going to assume that’s true and move on with my day.
So is 100,000,001.
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Why did she share this? Does she hate us? I don’t even know her.
When you start playing modded minecraft you get really good at multiplying and dividing by 144
Why 144? You mean a Minecraft stack of 64?
Let me introduce you to the wonders of 144 millibuckets ingots
I don’t get it, why is this a big deal?
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I know…I don’t get what the joke is supposed to be though.
It “looks” or “feels” prime. And being divisible by a prime like 17 feels even stranger.
It’s pretty common for numbers to be divisible by primes tho
You don’t say haha :D But there is no reason why people who don’t work or study in a math related field would have an intuition for that.
Fuck if I know, but look at the discussion this generated!
https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/58b19948-2d75-4d18-a2bb-fbf9362dc85b.jpeg
This I assume
Though the title of that meme should have been when millennials see zoomer memes
Big, if true
Large if factual
Humongous if honest
Fat if fact
Obtouse if precise
I used to do this thing where I would figure out if a number was prime or not and it kept me sane. Realizing this isn’t, may have just caused my whole world to fall apart.
If you skipped checking divisibility by 3 you already messed up.
