Western support for Ukraine as it defends against Russia has globally significant consequences, Polish President Andrzej Duda said Tuesday, urging Kyiv’s backers to remain steadfast.
“It is about making sure that Russia is not able legally to forcefully shift the borders in Europe,” Duda told CNN’s Jake Tapper in an interview from the United Nations headquarters in New York.
This is exactly what I don’t understand about people who want peace in Ukraine as soon as possible and at all costs: capitulation for the sake of short-term peace endangers long-term peace.
If we globally set the precedent that you can invade whomever you want and win just because you have nukes, that makes for a vastly more dangerous world. Every country with nukes will suddenly be more willing to go all imperialist, and all the countries without nukes will want to have them as a guarantee against invasion. And I don’t know about y’all, but a world with way more nukes in way more hands is way more dangerous.
Plus, Putin has shown he’ll keep on invading neighbors so long as he can get away with it. Delivering a crushing defeat to Russia and specifically Putin is the only way to achieve a more lasting peace.
No but you see for something to be imperialism it has to come from the imperialist region of the world. When Russia is doing it it’s only sparkling aggression.
That aside imperialism is supposed to benefit the economy while Russia’s has been going to the shitter. Checkmate, liberal, I’m very smart.
Europe is treating putin exactly the same way they treated hitler. It’s an entire continent of people who never learn. What’s next; is germany going to go through belgium to invade france again?
If that was the case Putin would not be right now in defensive position, he would be marching towards the polish border indtead
He would love to, but he just can’t, at the moment.
Don’t even respond to this Russian simp he’s in every thread about ukraine praising Russia
He has 300.000 reserves in Russia that he has never used on the ground
Were they the ones driving the garbage trucks and tractors that ripped up the roads when Prigozhin matched on Moscow?
They are the ones that deter Poland and US to throw their men on the ground
Putin has shown he’ll keep on invading neighbors so long as he can get away with it
How the fuck has he shown that? How many countries has Russia invaded since Putin got into power?
Even the US foreign policy people have been warning that Russia won’t accept NATO in Ukraine. This is why they invaded, not because Putin is a serial invader, because he very clearly isn’t. You know who are actually serial invaders? The US and their NATO entourage.
This has to be one of the top 10 dumbest takes of 2023 lol
How the fuck has he shown that? How many countries has Russia invaded since Putin got into power?
Not counting Chechnya (which should arguably have become independent after the dissolution of the USSR) and the attempts at colonialism in Africa and Arabia: Two. Georgia and Ukraine. On top of that he continued the occupation of Moldovan territory.
The US and their NATO entourage.
…have not annexed territory since… I’m too lazy to look it up. For the US it’s Hawaii, I think. Also comparing Russia to the US is choosing an awfully low bar. It’s like the US saying “but we imprison a smaller amount of our population than North Korea!”
Georgia and Russia is creating conditions in Moldova exactly like in Georgia and Ukraine prior to invasion. It’s pretty safe to say Moldova will be invaded in the future if Russia wins.
Ukraine had exactly zero chance to get into NATO.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/sep/30/georgia-attacks-unjustifiable-eu
EU investigation says Tbilisi launched indiscriminate assault on South Ossetia
An investigation into last year’s Russia-Georgia war delivered a damning indictment of President Mikheil Saakashvili today, accusing Tbilisi of launching an indiscriminate artillery barrage on the city of Tskhinvali that started the war.
In more than 1,000 pages of analysis, documentation and witness statements, the most exhaustive inquiry into the five-day conflict dismissed Georgian claims that the artillery attack was in response to a Russian invasion, accused both sides of violations of the laws of war, indicated that war crimes had been perpetrated against Georgian civilians and rejected Russian claims of “genocide” in the breakaway Georgian province of South Ossetia.
Just like in Ukraine Russia created breakaway regions by funding terrorist groups or outright sending their own military ‘on vacation’ into the region. And just like in Ukraine those breakaway regions are not part of Russia so the conflict there is not an excuse for Russia to invade. And as I said this exact situation is currently developing in Moldova so we have 3 examples of this exact strategy being employed.
Funny how those articles the useful idiots share never link to the report in question.
https://www.echr.coe.int/documents/d/echr/HUDOC_38263_08_Annexes_ENG
Turns out, report doesn’t claim what the articles claim. What it does do, however, is engage in a useful “both sides are to blame”, “green men didn’t have official patches”, and “think of the
childrenhuman suffering” sophistry that Russians just fucking love to spin into a disinformation campaign. Oh, and it immediately starts with authors absolving themselves from any responsibility and claims of having discovered truth.
The one fucking thing I agree with Duda on. Fuck the PIS for the majority though
We are definitely in “Worst guy you know just made a good point” territory on this one.
And in related news, Poland will no longer supply weapons to Ukraine in dispute over a grain ban
So there’s that, I guess.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Western support for Ukraine as it defends against Russia has globally significant consequences, Polish President Andrzej Duda said Tuesday, urging Kyiv’s backers to remain steadfast.
“It is about making sure that Russia is not able legally to forcefully shift the borders in Europe,” Duda told CNN’s Jake Tapper in an interview from the United Nations headquarters in New York.
“This is the guarantee of peace in the future, also for the United States.” Poland and Ukraine share a lengthy border, an area where the war resonated fiercely on Tuesday after Russian drones struck warehouses in the western Ukrainian city of Lviv.
Both leaders took the podium in New York on Tuesday morning, as the United Nations General Debate got underway.
Poland has been an ally of Ukraine since the Russian invasion, taking in more than a million Ukrainian refugees and leading the way in urging NATO partners to send more military supplies to Kyiv.
But the US is also closely monitoring its ongoing security assistance to Kyiv, as a growing number of Republicans call for more oversight into how the money is being used and question the wisdom of spending billions of dollars on its defense.
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I misread and had a Bill & Ted moment. Anyway, party on Polish President Dude.
If Polish President Dude gets a public holiday named after him, would it be Duda Day?
Well that’s just like your opinion, man.
True dat
“The only guarantee for peace is war”
The actual guarantee for peace would be ruskies just going home. But nope, that won’t happen, we need to give them the entirety of Ukraine, Poland, the Baltics, Germany and France. I’m serial you guys, they have NUKEZ
Don’t forget Finland. They’ve been laying the groundwork for us as well.
The level of delusion westerners need to imagine Russia is doing the “expansion” that NATO has been doing since decades, breaking the Warsaw Pact in 90s, is remarkable.
One side: Votes democratically to join a military alliance.
The other side: Invades nations, commits cultural genocide and war crimes.
Tankies: It’s the same thing 🤷♂️
Citation needed
Which part? Here’s a wiki that has all the genocide evidence in it with sources. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_genocide_of_Ukrainians_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine)
Here’s an article on how nations join NATO, democratically. (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023/7/12/how-does-a-country-join-nato-2)
Here’s an article about Russia attempting to annex parts of Ukraine. (https://www.npr.org/2022/09/30/1126020895/russia-ukraine-putin-annexation)
Which side commits cultural genocide and war crimes, again? Ukraine has been doing it since 2014 in the Donetsk Basin. You know, the country whose democratically elected Yanukovich was overthrown by a CIA coup in Euromaidan? The one about which a call was leaked between Victoria Nuland and Geoffrey Pyatt?
The other side, Russia, has been telling NATO since decades to stop the eastwards expansion, and to consider others’ interests rather than just their own. NATO broke Warsaw Pact in 90s.
There is no democracy and there is no equality in this world. Big players are kings and the small countries are geopolitical pawns. None of these European tiny countries are “independent” and “sovereign”. Even Germany is a little puppy to USA, considering they blew up the Nordstream in order to make Europe dependent on USA for gas and oil.
Every idiot like you then goes on to say “muh tankie”.
If you are unconvinced by this, go fucking watch the famous lecture by Mearsheimer (Chicago University) from 2015, which has 29 million views. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4
You’re rude but I agree with most of what you said. The West has been encroaching on Russia for years.
No such promise was ever made.
Independent nations can decide for themselves if they want to join a defensive treaty or not, Russia doesn’t get to decide that for them.
NATO is a defensive organisation? How were Serbia and Yugoslavia threats to NATO, then, you historically ignorant fuck?
Also, geopolitical “promises” do not have to be made. The fact that you openly advocate no promise being made directly tells me you want Russia to be balkanised and erased, which makes you an Anglo fascist.
Calm down.
Illiteracy and cognitive dissonance enrages me.
If you believe that Russia feels threatened by NATO then please explain why they’re withdrawing troops from the NATO borders, down to as low as 20%.
