“China bad. They built a train station.”
lol
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Noooooo you can’t make poor rural areas less dependent on cars, it is not profitable!
I had a turbolib make that argument about their sacred holy pallets. Yeah, pallets. “How is your socialist mass transit going to move my pallet?”
“They’re doing the environment good but for all the wrong reasons. The unmitigated greed is dizzying.”
“Oh sure public transit is easy when you’re not exclusively doing it for profits!”
Xi Jinping wants to rely less on coal because it’s profitable. Elon Mungus wants to transition to electric vehicles because he cares deeply about my well being, and he wants to reward my love for him. That’s the difference between the demonic communists and capitalists.
Bazinga LED car tunnels are more morally pure because the stated intent is technology rapture!
You build a high speed rail endpoint somewhere, and development will happen there. That’s what I always point out.
That’s why dense populations are always on rivers, because you can transport things along them easily. Trains are the same more or less.
O fukk, a railway is a lot like a metallic river
It’s easier to build infrastructure before people are living there en masse.
the maoist uprising against the landlords was the largest and most comprehensive proletarian revolution in history, and led to almost totally-equal redistribution of land among the peasantry
don’t ever change
we need another guy doing this but with a different educational quote
Lol their dad and my dad should hang out. My dad loves both Mao and Bill Clinton, in equal measure. He is literally a CPC party member (I assume expired but he still has his membership card) and is China’s biggest defender in the US, but he is also really proud of being an American. Like his dream is to have the two countries mutually agree to combine into one country.
As you can imagine the recent ratcheting up of tensions has really dampened his mood.
Also, one of his funnier crank opinions is that Portugal should have kept Macao becuase they bought it fair and square in the 16th century, but China should have invaded Hong Kong to show the British who’s boss.
This tattoo but it’s Mao and Bill Clinton
Ah, so close:
our dads should all hang out because my dad is also kinda similar, but since we’re not american, he hates america with a passion
hes like a kinda right wing dengist with very reactionary views on many things but still supports China because he has to
he hero worships Deng and thinks that he was the one that saved China from madness with his market reforms
It’s so interesting the wide array of people that exist who fully accept China’s success but don’t understand the politics or economics at all
My dad loves every secretary general because China has been a constant rocketship for all of them and is neutral on the West because it was genuinely infinitely better when he immigrated but knows they’ve completely stalled since the 90s compared to China
My mom who’s family’s business and property got taken by Map loves Deng because she thinks he was a capitalist and hates Xi and current China for hurting capitalists again
😍he hates the British that much huh?
The Britain tarnished the honor of China and must be destroyed, meanwhile my parents met at very lovely Portuguese couple on their European vacation and now the Portuguese are honorary Chinese.
Your parents rule
Your dad would love https://www.reddit.com/r/US_China_Alliance
im so mad that you have that for a parent while i got poor stupid racist trump guy
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Theres people in there saying that China botched “its transition to capitalism” worse than Russia lol
Yea China’s economy is fked which is why they’re the biggest economy rn
They literally cannot say a single good thing about china to the extent they would rather deny reality lmao
They believe inframaterialism is real but also that’s bad because it means the hiveminded asians can succeed despite not following the rules.
If we post enough china will collapse in 20 hours videos maybe it manifest itself into reality
You’ll never outpost the Chinese, tho
China is always and forever the image from the 1980s where polluted slums are advertised as the legacy of Communism.
I can’t believe the communists destroyed China like that. I’m sure China before 1949 was a thriving industrial powerhouse where everyone ate caviar and drank champagne!
The entire society twirled around fancy dance stage sets like in the cult propaganda treats!
And then a detached floating Marx head rode in on a tsunami and ate all the food at the behest of Mao Zedong, who invented famines in 1949.
It’s basically that Don Bluth Anastasia movie.
I didn’t see that but I did see a comment saying that it is bad that china has a low cost of living because it “distorts the labor market”.
I am not going to subject myself to further brainworm exposure.
A lot of posts on there are from English teachers in china giving advice to each other on how to take advantage of their students to sleep with them
I’m not going to praise Chinese bullet trains, for example. They’re nice but l’ve been to some really empty train stations in Xinjiang and Gansu that probably shouldn’t have been built.
The government hates its minorities so much they built high quality transportation for them to use whenever they feel like it, but they should be more efficient and abolish all of it because I don’t see any pictures of Uyghurs riding it
Took too long to try to find that comment about “empty train stations” because I was going to respond with either “transit oriented development, in which likely it will be built up in a few years’ time” or what I would more likely say “theyre all riding this one guys mum”
That is the weirdest handwave of chinas train system lol
How does one even explain that to themselves
Because building infrastructure for the poor, the underserved, the historically downtrodden, and predominantly racial minorities to help raise their economic situation? That sounds like communism to me, and we all know communism is bad because it doesn’t lead to ever-increasing profits.
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It’s just an extension of the ghost city narrative.
Yeah not wrong, makes a lot of sense
the CCP has been good at pushing renewables, even though maybe they’re motivated by money instead of environmental reasons.
Where’s the evil?
It’s funny because this is what liberals believe in. Several times when you bring up how capitalists will fuck up “improvements” over their profit motive, they’ll reduce your concerns to “wow so some people make money, and that’s bad to commies.” I’m assuming this guy is a liberal because that sub is just conservatives and liberals circle jerking about how much they hate Chinese people
empty train stations
Holy shit are people so fucking dumb now that they can’t understand planning ahead?
Building things before they’re needed is good actually. I am so tired of waiting for infrastructure to be built years after it’s needed.
I will never understand people who don’t get efficientcy. We can plan ahead, we have the data to know what an area is going to be like, not planning ahead for that is just stupid and negligent.
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all country/state/city subs are pretty much
Usually a sub like, uh, r/BatonRouge or whatever is going to be people who like Baton Rouge but absolutely hate minority segments within it. r/China is full of people who would struggle to come up with a defense that they don’t hate all of China except either “hate the government, not the people” or “some of the much younger women I use my power differential to fuck are Chinese!”
I always found it funny that they crap on China for empty developments not yet populated because westoids are only familiar with the same crumbling congested infrastructure with absolutely nothing new ever built because that means the property prices can’t be inflated exponentially.
Things tend to be empty when they’re first developed or in the process of being completed. Not that a westoid would know because they haven’t seen anything new in their lifetimes.
In general Western infrastructure lags demand because the economic case doesn’t pass until demand ratchets up.
What’s missed is that lots of infrastructure induce demand.
is there ANYTHING that the CCP or China in general can be credited with?
Look at the tag on your shirt or any of your appliances, they sign that shit
Is there anything at all that China in general can be credited with?
Well, before they became all woke the first emperor literally invented an immortality potion. The woke, soy CCP will not let me drink it with their snowflake “health and safety guidelines”, but I give credit where it is due. Plus, I can find more than enough of it in old thermometers to achieve immortality anyway. After Qin Shi Huang they became woke and never did anything worth taking notice of ever again.
It’s days like these that I curse the Chinese for inventing gunpowder
So is there ANYTHING that the CCP or China in general can be credited with?
To quote some guy on lemm.ee:
I don’t even see any politics on my instance! listen dude, i actually support china because i play genshin impact
That guy was great lmao
the train argument really gets on my nerves yes some train lines are unprofitable but they are also vital transport infrastructure. Roads aren’t expected to turn a profit
if people can get to job sites because of a trainline then that is economic utility produced by the train not recorded in the price of the ticket.
yes some train lines are unprofitable but they are also vital transport infrastructure
I’m currently working in the Middle East and the growth of this place is fast; I saw black and white photos of buildings built relatively far out of the city where there was nothing around for (miles? I’m not good at gauging distances), but you know what? Decades later the city’s expanded until those same places have now been enveloped by the rest of the city. I can’t speak to the train situation in some areas of China, but it may very well be a similar situation where in several decades time it’ll be extremely important that they’re there.
Trains are vital, high speed trains aren’t. They’ve pumped out a lot of high speed train lines that simply are too expensive to maintain, and of course not to mention the potential faults in build quality.
To reduce the amount of planes high speed trains can be a good replacement. But building too many of them isn’t going to do the train network any good on the long run if it’s not being fully utilised.
You build things to take estimated future capacity, not things that are fully utilised the day you finish.
Ok but seriously, is there anything that the CPC is bad at?
Edit: Thanks for the responses guys, you’ve all made really good points!
Their neutrality makes them popular with both developing countries who want to get support from China and the US, but it also means they don’t push for changes in corrupt and tyrannical governments, so you get shit friendliness with countries like Israel and Saudi Arabia. But compare that to the US, where they’ll nominally force you to “improve” your government and human rights, pillage your country, coup it when someone stands up to them, and STILL be friendly with Israel and Saudi Arabia.
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We could’ve had that if it weren’t for the CIA and Shah of Iran
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Their neutrality makes them popular with both developing countries
ASEAN and India would disagree with that.
Not gonna say you’re wrong about India, obviously there’s a ton of animosity there - the infighting over who should join BRICS+ really exemplifies it - but when you look at things like trade flows over the last decade then they have been constantly increasing. I think part of China’s charm, strategy even, is that even if the government of X country dislikes China for Y political reason, the economic logic of increasing ties in a capitalist system is hard to fight against. Capitalists want profit.
A little more confused about ASEAN, can you expand on that? Sure, not everybody in ASEAN is particularly glad about China’s increasing regional power, but most of them seem to be okay outside of naval disputes. This statement published just a couple weeks ago at the 26th ASEAN-China Summit sounds fairly positive about their relationship and boosting ties.
“Hi, do we ever have an offer on rope for you!”
More economic ties with China does not necessarily mean these countries want to have friendlier cultural ties with China. ASEAN and India have territorial disputes, aside from ideological differences. The trade deals are just business, and therefore not reflective of what the countries really think of China whether they could be seen as ally, to be trusted, etc.
The only developing nations I see who are in more warmer and friendlier terms with China are in Africa. But even many local Africans complain of how many Chinese firms does business (debt trap, not hiring locals, etc).
economic ties matter because the US, the hegemon of the present economic order, is trying to cut China out of said economic ties. culture is a superstructure built on top of the material base. not to mention, worrying about how two countries on the other side of the world “feel” about each other is peak liberal cope.
You’re not wrong about US wanting to remain hegemon, but no one from democratic countries would want to align to countries with you know… authoritarian. Surveys still show that much of the world still prefer the US as a superpower, despite many countries wanting to trade with China. Having trade relations does not mean the parties are friends. More often than not, countries are just business partners. That’s called realpolitik-- and a cynical one at that. Countries that are even allied still want something in return. A lot of white Western champagne socialists never bother to research, ask or get to know the actual opinions of those from countries who are being bullied by China in South China Sea from their exclusive economic zones. Japan, China, South Korea and ASEAN signed a trade union, but it doesn’t mean they will all relinquish their own territorial claims. For many white Western champagne socialists, the conditions of black and brown people they purport to try to alleviate from Western imperialism are tools for exploitation for their own ideological self-masturbatory, pat-on-the-back congratulations.
Another factor why the US is still preferred than China as the global power is because US has better soft power, something that China could never amount to. The totalitarianism of China is something that many will not be impressed by. Not trying to make the US flawless, it’s clear they aren’t, it’s just that they’re lesser evil than China. Oh and before anyone says anything about US being worse than China and vice versa, I know they’re both bad; this isn’t evil Olympics. Many people surveyed thinks both countries are threat to world peace.
but no one from democratic countries would want to align to countries with you know… authoritarian.
The US is way more authoritarian than China, probably the most authoritarian country in the world by any reasonable metric, so I don’t see your point.
Not trying to make the US flawless, it’s clear they aren’t, it’s just that they’re lesser evil than China.
A fundamentally ridiculous assertion, the US is many orders of magnitude more evil.
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foreign policy is a weaker area, I would say. I think it’s certainly based more on a long-term view of geopolitics, as best as I can tell the Party seems to be essentially thinking “The logic of Marxism is ironclad enough that we can be sure that even if we have to wait 70 years, development of these countries like that which we have been doing with the Belt and Road will result in a transition from capitalism to socialism; we need not rock the boat like the USSR did, we can simply wait, give some nudges, and everything will fall into place”
the unfortunate part of this obviously is that countries and socialist parties/movements that could really use a shitload of arms (that China could easily produce and supply with its massive industry) probably won’t get them, or if they do then it’ll be in relatively small quantities so as to not trigger suspicion.
their foreign policy is much better than America’s obviously but they’d have to dig past the bedrock of hell itself to even approach that bar
also their massive amounts of coal plants. don’t get me wrong, they’re also the biggest renewable producer by far and there are legitimate reasons why they need a ton of power generation even if it’s the shittiest form, I know the arguments, but it still fucking sucks that they’re making as many as they are
Don’t look at the factions China supported during the Sino Soviet Split
People are speaking in the present tense, we’re not defending Deng’s foreign policy
Yes foreign policy is a very weak area
we can simply wait, give some nudges, and everything will fall into place
I found it really disappointing when they gave weapons to the Philippines government to use against the revolutionary army there.
Not a fan of TikTok tbh.
I like TikTok, but I hate my semi-addiction to TikTok. I could be reading theory instead of mindlessly swiping those dumb videos.
They have theory on tiktok. Use the algorithm
I appreciate the thought, but I’ll keep to the books. I’m not particularly interested in getting theory from tiktok, I’ve seen how wrong people can be on that platform as on any other social media.
