So at this point, the leaders of both major political wings of MAGA have openly done the fascist salute.
Maga America needs to be denazified.
I shall now remind the world that the USA didn’t care all that much about nazis in WW2 until it got attacked by Japan in Pearl Harbor and felt the need to react.
Bullshit. We supported Europe similarly to how we’ve been supporting Ukraine.
We didn’t have boots on the ground, but we did everything short of that. It’s why Pearl Harbor happened.
We turned away Jewish refugees, and we also had our own Nazi political party. Support for the Nazis during WW2 was at a high point among the population before the US entered the war. We did not as a nation support Europe, and in fact there were large protests across the US against FDR supporting the allies by bypassing Congress. Speaking of Congress, they specifically created and expanded the Neutrality Act to prevent FDR from providing aid to the allies.
So no, there was much less help from Congress for supporting the allies than there is for supporting Ukraine, and it wasn’t a popular move by FDR to boot.
We did not as a nation
You sure like to cherry pick what counts for “as a nation”. The fact is we sent significant supplies and support to Europe throughout the war.
I can’t find a source for percentage support for the Nazis. While it existed, it seems to be pretty minor. Even the infamous Madison Square Garden rally has more to the story.
It bears mentioning that while there were 20,000 enthusiastic American Nazis inside the venue, there were also thousands of protesters outside. The anti-Nazi contingent included everyone from veterans to housewives to members of the Socialist Workers Party. The New York Times reported that the streets of midtown Manhattan were packed, and at one point the orchestra from a Broadway musical near Madison Square Garden performed a rendition of “The Star-Spangled Banner” for the protesters. A mysterious crusader even set up a loudspeaker in a rooming house near the scene and blasted a denunciation of the Nazis out the window: “Be American, Stay at Home.” The New York Police Department had deployed a record number of 1,700 officers around Madison Square Garden, enough “to stop a revolution,” the police commissioner said.
America supported the axis and allies in ww2
No, American companies continued to sell goods to the Axis until it was no longer illegal. The US federal government never supported the axis
Even after setting embargo’s the us didn’t enforce private company’s from exporting/importing. And before the embargo’s the us were sending arms. The one of the countries America didn’t work with was Russia and is partly why the us worked with the Nazis. They saw it as a means to an end in the goal to defeat communism.
Hell, we only got involved with the Nazis because Hitler declared war on the US after the US declared war on Japan for pearl harbor.
I would go as far to say the reason they did d-day wasn’t to defeat the nazis, but to liberate as much of western europe as they could before the soviets set up social republics in france and the netherlands.
Then you go so far that you’re off the map.
No, the US stayed out of the war until after the Nazis had been defeated at Stalingrad and were getting pushed out of Russia. The reason the US didn’t enter the war earlier was 1. Forces in the US wanted Europe destroyed since all it would take is a push to over industrialize our economy and we could emerge as the worlds leading superpower (which happened) and 2. The powerful forces in the US were really hoping the Nazis would defeat the Soviets.
The other poster is more correct, we entered the war to clean up the western front and prevent the USSR from taking the credit for “winning”, and prevent expansion or even diplomatic leverage.
Completely ahistorical garbage. If the US wanted the Nazis to beat the Soviets, then why did they send billions in equipment and supplies even before Stalingrad.
Its not that they wanted the Nazis, but the US will choose a dumptruck of fascism over a thimblefull of socialism every time. The US wasn’t officially aligned with Germany, there were forces in the US that wanted to see them defeated, and protect allies like GB. However many powerful american businesses were closely aligned with the nazis anc they wield a lot of political clout. IBM’s second biggest customer was Nazi Germany. So don’t act like there was zero conflict of interest. But as I said the incentives weren’t pro-nazi, they were pro-US superpower and anti soviet. There certainly were powerful forces within the US that explicitly wanted fascism here though, the Ultra podcast covers this well in 2 seasons.
Your version of history where there are good guys and bad guys that clearly demarcate the winners and losers in a completely justified in every way war, is the ahistorical garbo. People just can’t fathom that the US would act underhandedly to give itself an advantage despite every second of this country’s foul imperialist history. As if these things are decided by your personal morals rather than by politics and power. God what naive idealism.
In the war room, when it looks like the worlds greatest enemy are going to defeat your greatest enemy, should you intervene on behalf of your greatest enemy? No you wait and see how things shake out. Its always surprising when people just refuse to think about political economy and instead believe the “stars and stripes forever, super patriot, the US is the greatest country in the world” delusion.
You are stitching together facts to create a false larger narrative and sound like a either a 15 year old who has just discovered the world isn’t black and white, or an Alex Jones enjoyer .
Apparent? Shut the fuck up.
Throwing in the word “apparent” is cowardly, but it’s also a lot cheaper than being sued for libel by a fucking billionaire.
Nah. Getting sued for libel is what these outlets should be absolutely proud to have sent their way. That’s literally a news story in itself. It would also means he’d actually have to defend it instead of posting Nazi puns on Twitter.
So at what point of doing something does it actually become the thing that it was?
Seems pretty obvious to me.
From a legal point of view it hasn’t been tried in a court of law, which is why words like “apparently” and “allegedly” are used.
By that logic, it would impossible to report on literally anything.
Yeah. They’re cowards because they don’t want to lose any money saying the truth.
In this case I think the point is to be on the nose about how fucking ridiculous it is - just from this article:
Steve Bannon made a gesture that is identical to a Nazi salute
Bannon made the gesture — extending his arm, palm down, fingers straight, at an upward angle away from his chest, which is also what Nazi salutes look like
the gesture was also identical to one made by billionaire Elon Musk
extended his arm straight out, palm down, fingers straight, at an upward angle away from his chest. Which, whatever the billionaire’s intention, just happens to be precisely how a Nazi salute is performed.
Musk repeated the gesture. Here’s how that looked. <pic of Musk doing a Nazi salute>
I also wouldn’t be surprised if the DoJ would be specifically ordered to look at this case. When you’re challenging power, it makes sense to cross your Ts and dot your Is.
Oxford’s top definition for Apparent is “clearly visible or understood; obvious”
And the second (which is how they are using it) is “seeming real or true, but not necessarily so”.
I think the third one is “brother, i really don’t wanna get sued for that shit.” Pretty sure they are using that one.
Having read the article, that doesn’t seem to be the case. The undertones of the writing seem to be “There have been some attempts to deny that these are Nazi salutes (and not from the people making the gestures), but plausible deniability is rapidly running out and it definitely looks exactly like a Nazi salute”.
Dodging shackles of the new Ministry of Truth
Getting upset when journalists explicitly flag their interpretations is pretty fucked up and fragile.
The space karen one was blatantly apparent, this was a pretty half assed attempt. Like he is too much of a bitch to put his contemptible fascist ideology on full display.
I honestly think the feud with Elon is fueled by jealousy to be Trumps Nazi.
He wants to be in control not Musk.
I’d like to go back to a simpler time. A time when nazis got shot in the fucking face.
You can help return to that time today!
Join your local SRA or PSL. We need more comrades. Us Socialist have the top score for killing Nazis and it’s not even fucking close.
Edit: Socialist Rifle Association. Party for Socialism and Liberation.
Judge for yourselves … pretty blatant Nazi salute if I’ve ever seen one. Short and quick but it was a plainly obvious gesture.
1930s German Nazis would have laughed at it for being so pitiful and weak but it was there from what I saw.
https://www.youtube.com/live/0BN-62AQT4Q?t=29801s
If the linked time doesn’t work … scroll through to the end of his 15 minute speech at 8:16:32
I can’t even think of a way that this could be given some veil of innocence either. The “my heart goes out to you” thing was always bullshit, but it was an attempt at plausible deniability. I don’t think even that could be done here
Yeah well my heart just went out when I slay nazis too it was an oops because I was just making my heart go out
It’s just an involuntary hand movement, like when someone reaches for glasses they are already wearing, or reach out for a phone that’s not in the pocket. He got the habit from all the times he does the Nazi salute behind closed doors. /s (but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s actually true)
the nod, like yeah I did that, right after.
Like a weak handshake. The softest Nazi ever.
In times past, anyone doing anything like that around the president would have put the president on the fast track to impeachment.
Today, this will just slide, and we’ll have another piece of outrageous news tomorrow that nobody will be outraged about for more than 10 minutes. Different values today I guess…
Impeachment in the US seems to be meaningless too, though
It’s because impeachment is a partisan process. If the Republicans had an ounce of integrity (or even self-preservation) they would have joined the Democrats in voting to convict when Trump was impeached multiple times previously.
The second time was their easiest out. He wasn’t President, he had just lost an election, most of the country was disgusted with his antics post-election or at least just tired with it all.
They could’ve kneecapped him right then and barred him from running again. He would have left Washington a pariah. Most Republians hated the man, and this was their chance to shoot the rabid dog, but they were afraid of getting primaried over it. Which itself is ridiculous because most of the GOP senators were 3-5 years from their next primary.
That was when the GOP was fully-captured.
The goal of fox news post nixon was to prevent anything similar to what happened to nixon as a result of watergate. That and the fact that wall street robber barons were mot punished for the business plot fascist coup attempt against fdr and then the son and grandson of that coup attempt’s primary architect were both sitting presidents and now America has been obviously fascist to anyone paying attention the last 40-50 years now they are so emboldened they don’t even try and hide it.
Dude. Punctuation.
It really is. It does fucking nothing.
It’s not so much values as it is a lack of power in the working class. These things can be done because the greater population has no power or influence. Since their is no organization to resist it the mass of the population falls into two areas of “cope”. The crowd that knows it’s fucked up and has no one to organize against it. And the crowd that knows it’s fucked up but “no one is doing anything” so they find a place to normalize or deny it. It’s not “really” a Nazi salute.
You may call this “values”. But I’d say it’s more about how well the ruling class has controlled and passified the population.
Also, when half the country is worried about putting food on the table or paying rent. They really don’t have time to give a fuck. Material conditions really shape what we might perceive as a “lack of values”.
Let me guess the excuse: he also has autism and autistic people just can’t help doing Nazi salutes all the time.
You know how you keep seeing autistic people give Nazi salutes?
I’m autistic and I can’t stop nazi saluting it’s scaring my kids neighbors and friends send help
It’s true, it was programmed into us by our creator Hans Asperger.
Weird how Elon has never claimed to be officially diagnosed to be ASD, but has described himself as having Asperger’s Syndrome before, isn’t it?
Very weird indeed.
“damn vaccines… All Fauci’s fault” - RFK Jr?
who is saying that?!
I all invite them to come to germany and do it :)
Germany is literally right on the edge of their own fascist issues right now. The symbolism may not be as directly 1to1 as America. But the outcomes are building up to be the same. Germans learned all the wrong lessons from their past and now the “never again” seems to be “well, again, but only to Muslims this time. We promise it stops there”
How’s that song go? “Tell them that the Nazis never really went away”. They weren’t kidding.
it’s worse than that, we shift all the guilt about antisemitism and nazism onto muslims, so that they’re perceived as the actual nazis and we’re innocent happy fellows who are bestest of friends with The Jews™ who just happen to all support and live in israel and no other jewish opinion or existence is allowed or acknowledged. the palestinian genocide really is a denazification, israel is just cleaning up little hitler babies with daily bomb and drone strikes.
I’m really struggling with the idea that humanity doesn’t deserve to survive. Its just mind blowing how stupid and disgusting people can be.
I don’t struggle with it at all. I accepted it decades ago. I suppose it makes the end of the world easier to deal with.
Humanity can be incredible, but humans sucks.
Funny, I believe the exact opposite propositions. A human has the potential to be brilliant and beautiful but humanity will never be as intelligent as an ant colony.
What i mean with that is:
They come over, do the Hitlergruß, then get arrested and heavily fined because its highly illegal to do that in germany
Couple years ago I was drinking in Prague in the middle of the night and came across these German teenagers doing it and they told me “it’s great we are allowed to do this in Czech Republic” lol
I have pics of them doing it, absolutely wild
There’s an AfD poster doing the rounds right now where the adults are doing the fascist salute.
They’d have diplomatic immunity and the AfD would cheer.
If you were going to kick them out of the country for doing it, we’ll, they’ve already done it. You can kick them out preemptively.
Bannon has diplomatic immunity? He’s just some loser.
You’d think it would be easy to avoid doing this, but watch as the MAGA scum come out of the woodwork to rush to the defense of another guy who totally didn’t mean it, honest.
I posted it on the thread that was removed, but here it is again, video proof:
Timestamped link on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/live/0BN-62AQT4Q?t=29797
He wasn’t quite as confident with doing it as musk.
Thats kinda funny.
He looked very anxious doing it, tbh. Pathetic. Like a child muttering a swear under their breath before nervously scanning the room to see if anyone heard.
Yeah, and then the crowd fuckin cheered.
That’s it! I was sleepily writing my comment, having not long woken up this morning, with a thought in the back of my mind that i couldn’t reach.
Perfect analogy!
Probably not as high on drugs as Musk either.
bannon does look likes always drunk.
musk is the type you call “stupid confidence” and bannon is unsure if its the wrong thing to do.
He’s not unsure about whether it’s the wrong thing to do, at least not in any sort of moral sense. He’s just not 100% sure he’ll get away with it.
Unlike Musk, he did have a taste of prison
He fucking nodded in confirmation. “Yup, that’s what it was.”
Fuck me, I’m scared for my friends in the States
Send help :(
I’m scared for my friends outside of the States.
Well yeah, but he’s not a cool Nazi: he looks like he sleeps in the street while the South African one is a kajillionaire who makes space rockets and electric cars.
Nobody likes an uncool Nazi.
Also, here’s the actual source of the article instead of a link to an aggregator:
https://www.thewrap.com/steve-bannon-gives-apparent-nazi-salute-at-cpac-elon-musk/
What a pussy. Do it with your chest you fucking Nazi coward.
More privileged fat middle aged white guys signaling their hatred
What a pathetic fucking loser
