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I tried the chicken, fox and grain riddle on it. It rambled for 477 lines before I killed it.
I tried to make it easier by saying it can put three things in the boat. It did seem to realise it was a trick question. Now it’s stuck repeatedly solving the classic riddle dismissing it, then saying the correct solution and dismissing it.
edit: After another 160 lines it solved it
solve this riddle: … … A man has to get a fox, a chicken, and a sack of corn across a river. … … He has a rowboat, and it can only carry him and three other things. … … If the fox and the chicken are left together, the fox will eat the chicken. … … If the chicken and the corn are left together, the chicken will eat the corn. <think>
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Alright, so I need to solve this riddle where a man has to get a fox, a chicken, and a sack of corn across a river. His boat can only carry him plus three other things. The constraints are that if the fox and chicken are left alone, the fox will eat the chicken, and if the chicken and corn are left together, the chicken will eat the corn. Hmm, okay.
Let me break this down. The man needs to transport three items: fox (F), chicken ©, and corn (K). His boat can hold him plus up to three things. Wait, does that mean he can take all three across in one trip, or is it limited? I think the standard version of this riddle allows only two items to be taken at a time because otherwise, you might just ignore the constraints.
But wait, here it says “he can only carry him and three other things.” So maybe he can take up to four things: himself plus three. But in that case, he could potentially transport all three in one trip without any risk? But no, because if the fox is left with the chicken or the chicken is left with the corn, they’ll eat each other.
So perhaps the key here is that when transporting, only two items can be taken at a time. Or maybe it’s allowed to take all three but has to make sure that the fox and chicken aren’t left alone together, nor are the chicken and corn. But if he takes all three across in one trip, as long as they’re with him, there’s no issue because he’s supervising them.
Wait, but I think in classic versions, you can only take two at a time because otherwise, it’s too easy. Maybe here, since it says “three other things,” which would be the fox, chicken, and corn plus himself, so four total. Hmm, maybe that allows for all three to go together without issues as long as they’re with him.
But I’m not sure. Let me think again.
If he can take all three across in one trip because his boat is big enough (since it’s a rowboat but can carry up to three items plus himself), then the problem becomes trivial—just send them all at once, right? But that seems too easy, and usually, these riddles require multiple trips. So perhaps I’m misunderstanding.
Wait, maybe “he can only carry him and three other things” means he cannot take more than four total: himself and up to three others. So if he takes the fox across first, then comes back alone or with someone else? Wait, no—he has to get all three across without any pair causing harm when left alone.
Wait, let’s consider standard river crossing puzzles. Usually, you can only take one additional item at a time because otherwise, you have too many possibilities for leaving two dangerous pairs behind.
But in this case, the man is allowed to take up to three items, so maybe he can carry all three and leave them with him on both sides? But that doesn’t make sense because when moving from one bank to another, if he leaves them alone, they might cause problems. So perhaps he needs to transport them in multiple trips.
Wait, but the problem says “he has to get a fox, a chicken, and a sack of corn across a river.” It doesn’t specify whether it’s over multiple trips or not. Hmm.
Let me try to think through possible solutions assuming he can only take two items at a time because otherwise, I don’t see why you would need a riddle if the answer is just taking all three together with him.
If he takes the chicken across first, then comes back alone:
- Take C to the other side.
- Now on the original side: F and K; on the other side: C.
- Then come back alone.
- Next, take either F or K over. Suppose he takes F:
- Now on the far side: C and F; on the near side: K.
- But now if he leaves F and C together, F will eat C. So that’s bad.
Alternatively, after step 3, take K over:
- Take C to the other side.
- Return alone.
- Take K next:
- Now far side has C and K; near side has F.
- But then when he comes back alone, on the far side: C and K together would be okay because the chicken doesn’t eat corn. So maybe that’s a way.
Wait, but if he takes the chicken over first:
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Take C to the other side.
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Return alone.
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Take K:
- Far side now has C and K.
- Near side has F.
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Now, come back with one of them—say, take C back:
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Far side: K; near side: F and C.
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But then on the far side, there’s only corn, so that’s okay.
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Then take F over again:
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Now both sides have C (on the near) and F and K across? Wait, this is confusing.
Wait, perhaps I’m complicating it too much. Let me try to visualize each step carefully.
Option 1: He takes the chicken first.
Step 1: Man takes C to far side.
- Near: F, K; Far: C Step 2: Man returns alone.
- Near: F, K; Far: C
Now, if he takes F next:
Step 3: Man takes F to far side.
- Near: K; Far: C, F But then on the near side is only K. But when he comes back with someone else, say, returns with F.
Wait, no—if he brings F over and leaves it there, then he can come back alone:
Step 4: Man returns alone to near.
- Near: F; Far: C
Now, if he takes K next:
Step 5: Take K over:
- Near: F (alone); Far: C, K But that’s okay because on the far side, C and K are together? Wait no—the chicken doesn’t eat corn. So having them both there is fine.
Then, step 6: Man returns alone to near.
- Now, near has nothing except F; far has C and K.
Step 7: Then he takes F over again:
- Far side now has all three: C, K, and F with him? Wait no—when the man takes something over, it’s only one trip. So after step 5, when he has taken K to far side:
Far side: C, K; near side: F.
He needs to bring someone back so that he can get F across without leaving F alone with nothing or with others.
Wait, no—he just took K over in step 5, but then he’s on the far side. So if he wants to take F over next, he would need to come back first:
Step 6: Return alone from far to near.
- Near: F; Far: C, K
But now, when he takes F across again, he can do it in one trip.
Wait, but that’s more complicated. Maybe I’m overcomplicating it because if the man is allowed to take all three at once, then the answer would be straightforward—take them all together with him on each trip.
So perhaps the key here is whether he can take multiple items across in a single trip without leaving any two behind that would cause harm. Since the boat can carry him and three others, which includes himself plus up to three other things (so total of four). So if he takes all three across together in one trip, then when they’re on the far side, as long as they’re with him, there’s no problem because none of them will eat each other.
But maybe that’s too easy. Perhaps the riddle expects you to consider multiple trips where he makes several round trips while ferrying items back and forth.
Wait, let me check—since in the standard version of this puzzle (the classic farmer, wolf, goat, cabbage problem), you can only take one item at a time because otherwise, you have too many possibilities. But here, since it’s three items instead of four, maybe he can take two or all three.
But wait, if he takes the chicken first:
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Take C to far side.
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Return alone.
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Take F over:
- Now near: K; far: C, F
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Then bring C back:
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Near has C and K; far has F.
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Take K over:
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Far now has C, K;
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Bring someone back—say, take C again to avoid leaving F with nothing or something else. Wait, but if he brings C back, then:
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Man returns with C to near.
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Takes F over again.
This seems too convoluted. Maybe the key is that he can take all three at once because his boat can carry four things—himself plus fox, chicken, and corn.
But I’m confused because in standard puzzles, you need multiple trips because of constraints on left/right sides. But here, if you can transport them all together without leaving any pair behind, then the solution is straightforward—he takes all three across in one trip.
So maybe the answer is that he can take all three items across the river at once since his boat can carry him and three others—so total of four things: himself plus fox, chicken, and corn. Therefore, they don’t have to be ferried back and forth; he just takes them all in one trip.
So summarizing:
Step 1: Man takes C, F, K across the river.
- Near side: None except him
- Far side: C, F, K with him
And that’s it. So no need for any returns because there are no conflicts when they’re on the far side as long as he’s present.
But I’m not sure if this is a trick question where you have to consider ferrying items back or if taking all three in one trip is acceptable. </think>
The solution involves taking all three items (fox, chicken, and corn) across the river at once because the boat can carry four things—himself plus three others. Therefore, he simply takes them all in one trip.
Answer: Man takes all three items (fox, chicken, and corn) across the river together in a single trip, as his boat is large enough to hold him plus the three other items without any of them causing harm when left alone on either side.
It would be hilariously fitting if the reason the Chinese LLM beats the American one is because it’s capable of self criticism.
The big claim is that R1 was trained on far less computing power than OpenAI’s models at a fraction of the cost.
And people believe this … why? I mean, shouldn’t the default assumption about anything anyone in AI says is that it’s a lie?
A) Putting on my conspiracy theory hat… OpenAI has been bleeding for most of a year now, with execs hitting the door running and taking staff with them. It’s not at all implausible that somebody lower on the totem pole could have been convinced to leak some reinforcement training weights to help Deepseek along.
B) Putting on my best LessWronger hat (random brown stains, full of holes)… I estimate no less than a 25% chance that by the end of this week, Sammy-boy will be demanding an Oval Office meeting, banging the table and screaming about “theft!” and “hacking!!”
Tired: moats
Wired: drawbridges
Inspired: trebuchets
screaming about “theft!” and “hacking!!”
Sounds plausible. Or maybe they will go with a don’t use it, because privacy! take. Funny thing is, I actually agree people shouldn’t give them their data. But they shouldn’t give it to OpenAI either…
Should be, but it isn’t.
And people believe this … why?
Maybe people believe that all the AI stuff is just magic [insert sparkle emoji], and that can terminate further thought…
Edit: heh, turns out there’s science about that notion
This but it’s american vs chinese slop
This shows the US is falling behind China, so you gotta give OpenAI more money!
Fear of a “bullshit gap”, I guess.
Oh, and: simply perfect choice of header image on that article.
Kind of reminds me of the government funding Star wars programs that never produced anything but was credited for spending the Soviet Union into their grave because they couldn’t keep up. But I don’t think it’s going to work the same this time…
i understand that the thing that worked was mostly space-based surveillance
Altman: Mr. President, we must not allow a bullshit gap!
Musk: I have a plan… Mein Führer, I can walk!
wrong thread :(