President Joe Biden said Friday that he is planning to request more money from Congress to develop another new coronavirus vaccine, as scientists track new waves and hospitalizations rise, though not like before

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    So the government will fund it with tax money, and pharma companies will sell it back to the government for “undisclosed” amount. Did i get it right? Oh what capitalism will do for our collective good.

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    Republicans will fight him on this, because somehow they’ll find fault in this if a DEMOCRAT does it.

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    Every day i’m thankful to the people who voted Biden/Harris and ousted the criminal fascist trump admin. THANK YOU from Canada.

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    They are already working on a new booster that should be out at the end of September, but I don’t know if it is targeted enough for the new dominant Eris variant, whose main mutation allows it to better escape prior immune detection, or with the emerging Pirola variant, which has a concerning 30 new mutations whose effects are still being investigated.

    So, an entirely new vaccine to deal with the newer mutated variants would be great. And with the advances in mRNA vaccine development over the past few years, it shouldn’t take long to make a new vaccine either.

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    I’m immunocompromised and have to stop some of my drugs to take the vaccines. There’s no way I can do it again.

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        I don’t do magic, but, yeah, I’ll have to be careful.

        I just can’t do it again. I’ll kill myself before going through more pain like that. I just got my meds back after having to stop one for a while over liver enzymes. I like being able to button my pants and shower. Being able to work and make money is also lovely.

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      Imagine downvoting someone expressing their legitimate experience with a challenging problem they face.

      Or you got downvote brigaded. Either way, this is a valid concern but unfortunately just underlines the reality of being immunocompromised - you are vulnerable and it is the responsibility of your friends family and neighbors to think about the vulnerable and do these things to protect people like you so you can live as long and healthy as possible.

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        Yeah, it’s kind of wild. The original point of herd immunity was to cover for people that for whatever reason couldn’t vaccinate. Luckily, the array of bullshit I’m on hasn’t caused huge problems past feeling like shit and becoming lactose intolerant.

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          Oh that’s a fun one with the autoimmune disorders. They always list the same stuff, celiac chrons lactose intolerance etc etc.

          Hopin they make some dope breakthroughs for the group of disorders overall and make some big leaps soon! ♥️

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            They’ve made some awesome breakthroughs recently. Drugs that end in mab are monoclonal antibodies. Sometimes humanized mouse (chimaeras ftw) or, now, human antibodies. Expensive as fuck, but it’s the only thing I take for RA that isn’t some form of poison or something with annoying side effects.

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    Yes, keep making more vaccines but don’t make people wear masks and keep distances. Theres literally nothing we can do to prevent diseases spreading besides vaccines. Surely covid was the last virus to threaten us.

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      When do we stop wearing masks, in your estimation? Never, since airborne diseases will always exist?

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        Mate, im not anti vax. Im simply saying that the vaccine is not the only way for us to defend against diseases. We can do things to prevent them, much cheaper and quite reasonable things.

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          Masks required a large chunk of the population to follow the rules, which will never happen sadly

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            But were focusing only on vaccines and under capitalism i’m not so sure that our money is that effectively spent when transferred to pharma corporations. Isnt it insane that we’ve had three separate vaccines developed for the same virus when we really needed one?

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              Wait… so you’re saying scientific research into vaccines shouldn’t explore multiple avenues in case one is more effective than the others? Something you can’t do without funding?

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                Oh it should, but maybe under one organization, so we do not end up with one corporation undermining the effectiveness of the other simply for more profit.

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                  Okay, but that’s just not how things work right now. That’s wishful thinking. Right now, the government funds private research. I don’t like it either, but that’s the way we will get future COVID vaccines.

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          Vaccinations are by far the cheapest way to defend against a disease like COVID at scale. You are being disingenuous.

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            I think the money spent on the development of the vaccine says otherwise.

            Also, we had to wait for a covid vaccine for a year (or more? Already hazy) while common sense and hygiene were ready to go before the pandemic. We need to prevent those things from happening and slow them down before we know they exist. Waiting around for the next virus thinking that we’ll just make a vaccine might be a real shitty move if its more contagious and deadly than covid.

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    Maybe this time it will go through the correct channels. None of this “get it out quick” bs.

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        They should make covid part of the same flu shot. In fact they should go a step further and make a massive combo of everything you need as one shot per year. Or mix it in the crops every harvest, or our water supply, or make the meds a mandatory ingredient for all table salt jars or something, so we all just have everything we need automatically with the latest updates as and when they release.

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            You just described a friend of mine. He’s a retired epidemiologist. Used to do tabletop modeling with his team, used to go to universities to give talks about what to do when an epidemic hits.

            For context, he’d said back when Ebola was making headlines that “we’re overdue for an epidemic, but this isn’t likely going to be it”. And then in February 2020 he warned me “it’s coming, I hope you have a plan”.

            He had also shared the following. It was so striking, I had to write it down:

            Rules for Understanding and Surviving an Epidemic:

            1. Nothing is under control
            2. They don’t know what they are doing
            3. You are on your own.

            I recently shared with him an article describing a confluence of data in the UK re COVID and the changing of the seasons, etc.

            His response:

            There will always be another wave of covid. None of which will be as bad as any of the preceding. I’ve pretty much reduced (mentally) the risks of covid to the risks of influenza and plan on treating each the same. And I don’t plan on making the wearing of masks a regular thing any more. However, getting on public transport, going to a concert, i.e., close quarters, I will probably treat those kinds of things as too high risk in the middle of a wave and take precautions.

            This is someone who needed to travel (by plane) later on in 2020, and was adamant he would be wearing a mask, adding that most people don’t know how to wear a mask correctly.

            Conversations with him over the years have been really informative. And yet it’s made me realize just how hopelessly lacking I am in the training and experience to be able to grok the things he does. General medicine being one area. But also the likes of statistics, and things such as how/why it’s not important to have 100% immunization, and how our brains aren’t wired to easily understand what exponential growth means in practice. He’s only too happy to reference studies; not just a specific one that supports his opinion, but looking up all the studies on the subject and working out whether they strongly support one position or a other, adding that if it’s roughly 50/50, then the conclusion is there’s no compelling evidence either way. This man loves poring over studies.

            And to your point, he has made general comments indicating a lack of faith in humanity, not to mention some others in his profession.

            Not for nothing, my wife and I got our annual flu shots last weekend.

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          Influenza and the coronavirus are two very different things. No matter what RW politicians/media tell you, they are NOT the same.

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      I’m pretty sure there’s already a flu vaccine for this year’s strains, what with me having already gotten one.

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    These days the coronavirus isn’t really severe anymore right? Not saying that research should be stopped, but wondering if those who were going to die due to coronavirus sir to other health complications in combination with COVID probably already did die, which would be a majority of the deaths. (Yes, it is quite brutal but I believe this is true). These days even masks are not worn.

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      Every COVID variant has the possibility to be more transmissible and more deadly. Taking this with the cavalier attitude you want to is ridiculous. You sound like the “it’s just the flu” people, who ignore the fact that 50 million people died of the flu in 1918.

      COVID needs funding because COVID is even more serious. We don’t know how to treat it as well as we do influenza, which is well-studied and nowhere near as novel.

      So it doesn’t matter if it isn’t severe right now. The potential is not worth taking lightly.

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      Don’t forget about that often ignored long COVID possibility either. The research is suggesting that each time you get COVID your chances of having more issues down the road go up. I don’t know if the risk is increased that much yet, but it’s a worrying trend that it seems mainstream media have stopped reporting on (probably because the economies needed people to get back to work).

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      Whether you think COVID isn’t that bad anymore or not, it’s sucks to get it. I would 100% take a shot every year instead of the flu shot if it meant I wasn’t bedridden for weeks

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      SARS-CoV-2 isn’t really any less severe, if anything the newer variants are more aggressive, but in a way that’s a good thing. The original strain had a particularly long incubation period, meaning an infectious person could do a lot of social mixing before the first symptoms appeared, and the same for all the people they came in contact with, leading to an explosion in cases that could overwhelm healthcare systems. There were varying reports of two weeks all the way up to a month.
      Now, between more aggressive strains, and pre-existing antibodies from vaccines and/or prior exposure (even if “outdated”) the immune response kicks in much faster and people know they have it much sooner and there’s less opportunities for spread (even if some assholes don’t care and mix anyway). That combined with awareness of the virus and better treatment for the manageable number of people who get seriously ill means society is able to cope much better while “returning to normality”
      Still sucks for individuals who get severe cases even now.

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    Who fucking cares. I’m so tired of the coronavirus. I got the first vaccine, and all 3 boosters. Plus I caught corona. Twice. I don’t fucking care any more. Let’s talk about housing. Let’s talk about minimum wage. Let’s talk about healthcare. I’d take dental care and optical at this point.

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      Huh. So you’re saying all my sister, father-in-law, sister-in-law, brother-in-law, and cousins have to do to get over their various long COVID symptoms is declare they’re tired of it? Holy shit, I’m calling them all right away!

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        I’m saying. If they are already dealing with long Covid a new vaccine isn’t going to fix that. Sure, it may keep them from catching it again, but They’ll still have long Covid until they don’t.

        Covid isn’t going away at this point. EVER. This is now something we have to live with. There will now be a constant threat of covid hanging over our heads. I’m not saying that new vaccines shouldn’t be developed, but it also shouldn’t be big news. Every year a new flu vaccine comes out, and every year a new Covid vaccine will have to roll out. This is life now.

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          COVID-19 still kills at least ten times the number of people that the flu does, causes far more hospitalizations, and leaves far more people with debilitating long-term illness. Until that changes, I am absolutely fine with getting information out there when a new and improved vaccine is in the works or ready, and I’m having trouble understanding why someone wouldn’t be.

          No one’s forcing you to read news about it. You could have skipped this article.

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            Since, no one has answered my replies. I’m going to keep asking the questions. I want the new vaccine. I’m not an anti-vaxxer, but how much will it cost? Do you think these vaccines will be no cost to the American people forever? I just literally took out a loan to get a tooth filled. Vaccines are less effective when less people take them right? So, how’s it going to work this time?

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              How much will it cost?

              For now, the vaccines will continue to be free. It’s in the public interest to get vaccines into as many arms as possible.

              Will the vaccines be free forever?

              Probably not, but I don’t see them having a cost to the consumer for a long time. Not until the dominant strains are no more dangerous than influenza.

              Are vaccines less effective when fewer people get them?

              Yes, especially with a rapidly mutating virus.

              How’s it going to work this time?

              Probably similar to the prior booster shots.

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                Thank you for responding. I agree with a lot of what you said. The parts I don’t agree with mainly have to do with a lack of faith in in the US government to do what’s right. In other words. I think they will start charging for vaccines when they decide the losses will be acceptable. Which will probably be long before it’s on par with the flu.

                But, I’d just like to point out that with socialized medicine. We wouldn’t even be having this conversation.

                Also, you didn’t have to answer your question about are they less effective if less people get them. I had already stated that. When I was saying that if people have to pay for them then less people get them making them less effective.

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            I guess I should have said “I’m tired of hearing about things that I’m too poor to benefit from”. Maybe that’s how I should have worded it.

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      Ugh, if only we knew we could have fixed it years ago by saying we’re tired of it. That would have saved a lot of hassle.

      Research into vaccines doesn’t preclude any of those conversations and coronavirus still uses up lots of health resources. Better vaccines for new variants would help healthcare in general.

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        So, I guess you don’t know how viruses work? Well they mutate really fast. So you constantly have to make new vaccines to deal with the new variants. See, if you had known this about viruses. Then you would have known from the beginning that new vaccines at least every year would be part of the deal, and then this wouldn’t be news at all.

        I think everyone should get their vaccine if they can afford it. After all in America flu vaccines cost money, and I guarantee these new COVID vaccines won’t be free. I mean at some point these pharmaceutical companies have to make money right?

        That’s why I’m tired of it. I want the vaccine. Hell, I want treatment for TMJ. But if you can’t afford it. All the cool new vaccines in the world won’t matter.

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      They said it late in the pandemic too: we may be tired of that virus but unfortunately it doesn’t care and it is not done with us.

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        Oh, I know. Is this vaccine going to be free? I would like the new vaccine. Like, I’m not an anti-vaxxer. But I literally just had to take out a loan to get a tooth filled. How much will this vaccine cost? Because like you said. This virus isn’t done with us. It never will be. How much are the yearly vaccines going to cost Americans?

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          “I’m not an anti-vaxxer, but am going to post multiple comments saying we shouldn’t keep making new vaccines because they would cost a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a percent of US spending.”

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            I am not trying to be antagonistic. I genuinely want to know, and you’re the only person that has responded to me.

            Why is it that when I point out that eventually we are going to be paying for these vaccines no one responds anymore?

            The cheapest flu vaccine I could find was $40. Flu vaccines have been around for decades. Plus when I asked the pharmacist how much a flu vaccine costs. He said “if you don’t have insurance we can probably get it down to about $40”.

            I’m not going to be able to afford 4 $100 corona vaccines for my family.

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            Why would I be wanting socialized healthcare (see first comment)? Then be concerned about what the government spends on developing a new vaccine.

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            What? When I said how much it will cost the American people. I meant individually. How much will it cost ME to get the new vaccine? I can’t afford a tooth filling, and if you think corona vaccines will be free forever. You are sorely mistaken.

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      Good for you bud and so happy that you don’t give a shit anymore! So sorry that you can’t seem to understand that a virus that kills people other than you is a bad thing.

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        Oh, I think you misunderstood. First off i think everyone should get vaccinated. Like, I would like to get the new vaccine. But how long are these vaccines going to be free in America? After all the flu vaccine isn’t free. I can’t afford one of those. Shingles vaccine isn’t free. I can’t afford that either, and I’ve had shingles. It fucken hurts.

        If you even halfway paid attention in grade school science, or realized that a new flu virus is rolled out every year to combat the new strains. You knew this is how the vaccine situation was going to work. If you knew from the beginning that this is how vaccines work. Well, it’s not exactly news is it?

        Meanwhile my rent doubled in 3 years. I literally just took out a loan to get a tooth filled. I live everyday in pain from TMJ.

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        I didn’t say that we shouldn’t focus on it. But here’s a question for ya. How much is this new vaccine going to cost Americans? I mean the same people that charge ridiculous amounts of money for insulin aren’t going to give away vaccines right? Is the US government going to pay for these vaccines for everyone? All the vaccines in the world do no good if people can’t afford them.

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        If we all sit completely still maybe the virus will just pass over us. We could commemorate that day and turn it into a holiday and call it “Overpass” or something.

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    Oh you mean to tell me that the first 6 needles they offered up did absolutely nothing for the long run? Guess we’ll just toss another 6 needles into everyone for this type of Covid too. Wonder how quickly the whole population has long term health problems due to that.