‘Risk’ analyses largely ignore the dangers of the climate crisis. Unless we wake up to them, they will soon outweigh all others

  • ChicoSuave@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    5
    arrow-down
    8
    ·
    2 months ago

    The bigger problem is the politics of China and Russia believe the environment doesn’t matter as long as money can be made, and then they spread that idea with propaganda and disinformation among social groups. If the climate is to be saved, they need to be stopped.

    • WalnutLum@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      14
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      2 months ago

      I’m pretty sure China’s CO2 emissions are dropping at such a rate they’ll drop below the US’s within 10 years.

      They do not need to be stopped.

      • MrMakabar@slrpnk.net
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        2 months ago

        That would be great, but I doubt that. If US emissions stay stable that would be a 6.6% annual drop over a decade. If Carbonbriefs anslysis of Bidens climate policy is correct and US polizicans do not touch that at all, we are talking 10% annual drops. So far Chinas emissions have been growing most years. They might have peaked right now, but I foubt, they drop this quickly.

  • thefartographer@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    2
    arrow-down
    8
    ·
    2 months ago

    But their ideas are different from ours!

    (I know it’s way more complicated than this, but you can negotiate with one of these two things)

      • SoylentBlake@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        2 months ago

        I mean…Russia stands to benefit the most from climate change. Followed by Canada.

        A few degrees centigrade and just about everything below the 40th parallel become unhabitable. That leaves the northern border states in the US. 350million of us gonna squeeze into Washington, Montana (fuck Idaho) N.Dakota Minnesota, NY, New Hampy, Verminion and Maine? IDK about that.

        For the first 20 years of my life I thought we would step up and have a plan to avoid the worst. That next 20 years I was waiting for real coordination to be heard over the politicking. The last few years I realized we do have a plan. And that plan is the exact one I thought was waaaay too barbaric for modern times but now I’m convinced it’s the only outcome we’ve planned for at all.

        And that’s to build the wall and drop a machine gun every 20ft. There’s ~200million people between us and South America and the army has way way more ammunition stored up than just that.

        So the choice of having the world’s rich humbled down to the common man and we all degrowth or slaughter 200million people, America has chosen blood.

        • thefartographer@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          2 months ago

          We’ll always choose blood

          I still don’t get why profits are so fucking important, but I’m sure that’ll someday get me thrown into the juicer

          • SoylentBlake@lemm.ee
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            edit-2
            2 months ago

            Affluenza.

            Once you have so much it’s obscene, you don’t have any peers.

            Without peers, you don’t have true accountability. Without accountability man becomes monster

            It should be in the DSM, seriously. Then we can argue we’re legislating a maximum annual income limit for their own good, to protect their mental health - and we wouldn’t be lying in the least.

            Ever met a wealthy child?

            Monsters. All of em. #eattherich

            The truly sad part too, is real connection to the past, to humanity, that wave of empathy and seeing your place in the chain, happens when we are doing the same mundane things that those chucklefucks think their too good for. First time it happened to me I was meading the dough for some daily bread. And it was like the history of my ancestors and I all merged into one, all around this one activity.

            People without people aren’t people.

          • Maeve@kbin.earth
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            2 months ago

            Maybe we the American people should look at who’s blood we’re choosing and why. I’d much prefer a peaceful resolution than violent revolution, and those preventing it need to step aside or face real world consequences, not * real rich world consequences.

        • theneverfox@pawb.social
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          2 months ago

          We can it climate change because all we know is that the balance of the Holocene is over

          It will be less hospitable to humanity because we’ve long lived in ideal conditions. Will it benefit Canada and Russia? I’d argue “no”, because the polar vortex is no joke. Stable climate is good, unpredictable climate is bad

      • winkly@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        2 months ago

        I wonder sometimes if the powerful people in the world actually do see it that way. I mean, I bet they figure they (and their children) can survive the climate apocalypse that will wipe out all the poors. So from that point of view, why not just make as much money as possible and let the world go to shit. They can just colonize Antarctica. Forget Mars. Just pretend you’re preparing to live on a planet hostile to life as a way to prepare for the future…

        It’s bleak but I wouldn’t be surprised if all those billionaires are thinking along these lines.