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Ffs can we stop with the middle ground centrist bullshit and actually do some good with some “progressive” policies… You know the “progressive” that is barely left of center anywhere else in the world.
Clown country
Liberals:
harm reductionRead the fucking article. There’s at least some harm reduction compared to what the Republicans want and the status quo.
The bill, which Murphy described as a “compromise” also included provisions with more money for asylum lawyers and judges for the overloaded immigration system.
This is what we actually need. More money for judges and attorneys and whoever else is involved in the asylum process in order to more expeditiously get through the massive numbers of migrants. And people need to remember that a lot of these people are refugees. Fleeing for their own lives and those of their children. A lot of Americans need to remember that these are people.
They’re no different than you or I. We benefited from our ancestors mostly being able to come willy-nilly into the US and now we want to close the door? It’s frankly anti-American.
Give us your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.
Aside from the Native Americans, that is all of us. Every single one of us. It’s like boomers who ruined the housing market and the economy pulling the ladder up behind them, but worse.
We need more resources put into this so we can better determine who to let in and who to send back and to do so within a reasonable timeline. We have the money for that. The US is not hemorrhaging cash. But it sure is hemorrhaging humanity when it comes to refugees.
We don’t need a fucking wall.
No we don’t, the wall does pretty much fuck all to stop illegal immigration. However, aside fom the fact its just her signing a bipartisan bill and not her own policy, there’s an election going on and VP Harris needs all the votes she can get.The wall is just a shiney thing to distract some idiots into voting for her. When the alternative is a party that wants to “deport millions” I’ll take throwing some money at a big stupid wall over the alternative.
She is not going to gain any votes from building a wall, literally anyone who wants a wall is going to vote for Trump.
Tailism is bad, mkay?
Its not only trump sycophants that think a wall will stop immigration. There are plenty of undecided voters with little to no understanding of immigration and the policy associated with it. Granted, a wall is a simple minded/uninformed persons idea of a solution to illegal immigration, but that’s kinda the core populous of undecided voters isn’t it. If you want the perfect socialist candidate to reform US politics I’m afraid you’re gonna be waiting a long time, dont let perfect be the enemy of good. We have yo start somewhere and the immigration bill has a fair amount of real and effective reforms in it.
She said she would sign the bipartisan immigration bill, even though larded with a ton of bullshit, including ‘the wall’ as a portion. And the headline is “She flip-flopped and wants to build Trump’s wall?”
Hack journalism at its best.
She’s literally supporting signing a bill that funds building the wall. How is that not going back on her opposition to the wall? Not to mention the wall is probably one of the less egregious parts of that bill.
What is the “good” that I’m somehow opposing with my perfectionism? What is good about this bill? Preferably not in the form of the Wikipedia article for another thought terminating cliche.
This, then, is a lie. She supports the bipartisan border package that trump killed.
Unlimited illegal immigrants on the first world!
So your saying the immigrant problem is actually a bunch of stupid insane white man emojis. Perfect response for this bullshit sub.
So your saying the immigrant problem is actually a bunch of stupid insane white man emojis. Perfect response for this bullshit sub.
She supports the bipartisan border package that trump killed.
If that’s true, then trump has done more harm reduction in the last four years than biden
Republicans opposed aid to Israel purely to spite Democrats
Personally I don’t care if politicians do good things out of spite or out of good intentions. If they’re doing good things by shooting down a terrible bill, that’s a good thing.
Legit, let the stopped clocks be right. What, should we prefer they be wrong even more often than they already are?
Sure, but after trolling for a bit they still let the weapons through. There was never a shortage.
Shucks, I guess I won’t vote for them then
Yet you somehow think that’s worse than you supporting the ongoing genocide to spite the Republicans, disgusting spineless worm
That’s why i put “if that’s true” in there. Republicans are going to vote down whatever, including the border bill they were refering to, or the Isreal aid you mentioned. It wasn’t actually stopped by Trump. But the fact both were stopped is good.
Oh… because up is down?
The bipartisan border package is horrible. It would cause a lot of harm
Tell me what it says that’s so horrible. If you would, please enlighten me to what specific clauses are horrifying. Appreciate it!
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Me: You’re a fucking removed. You’ve no comprehension skills and you can’t put forth the slightest logic. You do appeal to emotional nonsense well… republican much?
Well first of all it gives the president the abilty to shut the border down until they figure out what the hell is going on - which is disgusting increase in executive power. It increases the amount of detention beds and detention officers - so increased concentration camp capacity and guards.
The whole thing seeks to solve the alleged border crisis - a right wing myth that the US’s second right wing party has finally decided to vocally adopt. All that solving the border crisis means is more inhumanity toward people trying to cross the southern border due to the effects of climate change, US imperialism and neocolonism.
I hope you appreciate it smuglord border nazi
Well first of all it gives the president the abilty to shut the border down until they figure out what the hell is going on
Where in the bill is this stated?
The whole thing seeks to solve the alleged border crisis - a right wing myth…
I asked for specific wording clarification. While I appreciate the editorial, the source (you) is questionable.
It sounds as if you don’t really know what you’re talking about even though you’re making this super emotional appeal but it’s not backed up by fact one. And that’s even after I asked for facts.
Your stance in no way influenced my thinking. What’s more it makes me suspicious of you.
Because you don’t want to look at the bill because you’re racist and hate immigrants, multiple people have responded with multiple sources including the bill itself.
Now it’s already very clear to everyone here that your “stance” wouldn’t be changed by anything and you’re simply masking your apathy and racism by feigning scepticism, but are you even going to try and come back here and pretend otherwise? I highly doubt it, but hopefully your brilliant truth-seeking mind will prove me wrong!
M’Liege, I have retrieved yon bill for ye.
“(3) ACTIVATIONS OF AUTHORITY.—
“(A) DISCRETIONARY ACTIVATION.—The Secretary may activate the border emergency authority if, during a period of 7 consecutive calendar days, there is an average of 4,000 or more aliens who are encountered each day.
“(B) MANDATORY ACTIVATION.—The Secretary shall activate the border emergency authority if—
“(i) during a period of 7 consecutive calendar days, there is an average of 5,000 or more aliens who are encountered each day; or
“(ii) on any 1 calendar day, a combined total of 8,500 or more aliens are encountered.
Now you may say, “Aha, we have you hyperbolic hexbears now, it clearly says that the president doesn’t just get to shut it down until they figure out ‘what the hell is going on’!”
Which is correct. What it does is tie their hands such that they must shut the border down when an arbitrary number is reached, so they don’t have to actually do anything and can plead their powerlessness when it happens. After all it’s not up to them, it’s just a mandate of a conservative law… that they want to pass.
Your stance in no way influenced my thinking.
Buddy, we already knew that no amount of facts could influence your thinking. You’re a liberal.
What’s more it makes me suspicious of you.
Genuinely curious, do you think it matters to anyone in an online forum if you are vaguely suspicious of them? I’m not sure why you would even say that. What are you trying to accomplish?
You can go read it yourself. Your blind faith will prevent you from doing so.
You know they haven’t read it because the two things i mentioned are in the bill and they denied them being there lol
