• gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works
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    2 months ago

    This is wild.

    I also think it’s objectively the right call, in the context of taking the most aggressive and pragmatic approach to stopping the fascists.

    Also, in response to this quip from the relevant WaPo article:

    The Democrats’ predicament — a candidate dropping out after sweeping mostly unchallenged through the party primaries to become the presumptive nominee — is unknown in the modern era.

    We need to be absolutely, completely fucking crystal clear here: the root cause of all this drama (as well as the electoral faceplant in 2016) is the DNC leadership and how they run the primary. They let the donor class sideline extremely compelling candidates because they’re not neoliberal or corporate-friendly enough for their tastes, and then we get a milquetoast “electable” candidate.

    There are very real reasons why so many people are unenthused by Biden, despite his accomplishments on paper. Pretending the primary process is actually fair and actually yields the best leadership candidates is an exercise in self deception.

    At any rate: I hope the DNC’s old and new guard can just agree to be pragmatic and stop the fucking fascists at all costs for the next few months.

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      2 months ago

      I also think it’s objectively the right call,

      I have no idea. I think it’s a damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-don’t situation. Picking the next nominee is going to be a clusterfuck. Mike Johnson already calling for him to resign. It’s going to be challenged in court. This is going to be a constant fight until the election. What about the donors who have give money to Biden, but then don’t like whoever they go with? Do they go with Harris? She isn’t much more popular and (this isn’t me being sexist, but understanding Trump’s misogyny) are they really going to run another woman against him? And there is no guarantee that people that need to be swayed are going to be happy with whoever is picked.

      But then again, how do you continue with Biden? If the next debate isn’t perfect for him, he’s doomed. Can they take that risk?

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      2 months ago

      Look he’s got COVID, not like he can make a recording… (or he’s doing that poorly that he can’t even do a recording)

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        Call me tin foil hat man but I think the COVID was just a way to take spotlight off of Biden so he couldn’t say anything stupid

        Almost every time he’s spoken publicly in the last few weeks he’s made some gaffes. Imagine a press statement and he mixes up Kamala’a name with someone else.

        Not worth the risk. Biden speaking in public is too risky, might mess up the message they’re trying to send.

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      2 months ago

      Correction: It was posted to Whitehouse.gov and sent to the press and several other outlets simultaneously. It’s just that the overflowing latrine that is x.com is the place where people notice and amplify such things quickest.

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    This would have been much less of a clusterfuck if they hadn’t hidden that Biden’s state had already been declining for a long while now, or if he had been consequent with his declared intentions of being a one-term president from the very beginning, and there had been real primaries.

    The very obvious good news is that whoever is chosen now will have much better momentum than Biden, even if only by virtue of being capable of reaching out to low information voters, while Trump’s less obvious cognitive decline is going to become far more evident now.

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    To every one of you in here who spent the last year defending him: shut the fuck up. It was obvious he is a senile segregationist piece of garbage. You need to reevaluate all your political opinions.

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    About time too and Kamala is more unelectable than Biden. I can’t see if this has already been mentioned but this been the first time since LBJ when sitting president refused to seek nomination for a second term.

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    All the way up until this past Friday I was certain he was going to hold on with a feeble death grip until the very end. While I’m extremely excited about this, I hope that liberals leftists and everyone left of center realizes, now that he’s out, you absolutely have to support Kamala. She may be a cop, and all cops are bastards. But we can save the criticisms until after we’ve blocked the hyper fascists

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      Not to mention just like with other things, Republicans are not open to removing the bastard cops in place, the Democrats at least contain people that want to do so. Sadly you have two choices, so pick the one that gets closest to what you want.

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      I hope that liberals leftists and everyone left of center realizes, now that he’s out, you absolutely have to support Kamala the Democratic nominee no fucking matter who it is at this point.

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    Depending on how the election works out in November, this is either going to be remembered as an honorable and strategic move or one of the biggest political blunders in history.

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      the Democrats have been cornered over the last 40 years. I think the only move is the bold move.

      dems have got to show the country they can make and take hard choices and whatever process is used to select a nominee, make it as transparent and democratic as possible.

      we are at the very last bulwark for a representative democratic government. light a fire under the citizenry and trust that our (possibly) last peaceful hope is the best hope. 2024/25 is gonna be rough.

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      Biden was most likely going to lose, let’s just be honest about that. He might have squeaked out a popular win, but lose the EC (and given our stupid system, that’s the only thing that matters).

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      It won’t be remembered as a blunder, because there was no circumstance where Biden would have won in November. Not after that debate.

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        It is absolutely insane that Trump told lie after lie after lie in that debate and no one gave a shit. But Biden stumbled over a few words, and somehow that makes him incompetent to be president. Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with American voters?

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          Trump isn’t held to any standard. That’s the thing. No one has any great expectations of Trump. His campaign should have been over when he mocked a reporter’s disability, but it wasn’t.

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            That’s just it. Democrats are expected to be perfect; if the cons fuck up, lie, commit crime, even attempt a coup, it gets a collective shrug and a “boys will be boys” kind of attitude, even if it’s girls like Empty G.

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          That’s on people on the left more than anything. The terminally online left read while terminally online right write.

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          As others have said, Trump did what we expected him to do: lie. We expected/hoped Biden to quell the critics, and he did the opposite of it.

          But make no mistake about it, plenty of people pointed out that Trump lied during the debate. The problem is that his cultists think that if he says it, it’s true, or complaining that his lies aren’t that big so it’s not a big deal. Truth and honesty doesn’t matter to them anymore. Although, I feel like truth mattering to people is dying across the board.

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          Trump lies? Why didn’t anyone say something about that??? /s I don’t think many people will vote Trump over Biden based on the debate. But I can understand everyone that won’t vote Biden (thus not vote at all) based on that debate.

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          That’s the dumb narrative. It’s clear that if donnie even ever had any brain cells, he’s in decline. But yeah, BidenSoOld and he did freeze up, so all the lies, fascist intent, and incoherency on donnie’s side is ignored by the bothsiderist “liberal media”.

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        Yeah. Tbh I dislike Harris 10x more than Biden but I know she’ll actually be able to stand up to Trump at the next debate. There was never any amount of prep the Biden team could’ve given to Joe that would’ve helped him in September. It’s for the best, but things just got a lot less predictable now.

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          Have you not been paying attention? Every time Biden goes up to speak, he makes a fool of himself. At the debate he was mumbling and staring blankly into space with his mouth open. He then did an interview afterwards to try and calm the mood that only make it worse. Then he showed up to the NATO summit and introduced Zelensky as Vladmir Putin. He called Trump the vice president.

          All in the course of a couple of weeks. Biden simply isn’t all there. His polling numbers were on a downward trend and the key problem is that concerns about his age and mental capacity can only get worse with time. It will never get better.

          There was no other option but to change Biden. Everybody knew this after the debate. I think it took so long for him to drop out because they didn’t know who to replace him with. Kamala isn’t pilling any better and in some places worse.

          But it seems the DNC has done their research and figured Kamala is the best chance they’re gonna get. Which I think is a grim omen for the near future.

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      Biden had no choice but to withdraw - the polling suggest he was going to lose to Trump. The problem is a) the VP is largely been abscent so hasn’t really been able to develop a strong profile and b) the VP is Kamala Harris. The problem the Democrats face is not having a candidate that galvanises the same level of support as Trump. There is simply a dearth of credible candidates. Personally, I would encourage Mitt Romney to defect to the Democrats and get him stand or Jimmy Carter.

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      Biden was 100% going to lose. Kamala is probably going to lose, but at least there’s a chance.

      There was no other move here. Democrats put themselves in Zugzwang by Biden seeking re-election in the first place.

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        Nah, Biden had a chance. They fucked it up by mismanaging his image, then even allowing the debate at all, and the last nail was ironically filled by the failed Trump assassination attempt. There were a lot of little things besides these, though in the last about eight months these are the big three imho.

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      Well we didn’t have any meanjngful primaries with him in it anyways. The DNC will probably just pick whoever Biden wants when he gives the press confrense, as that’s just easier and “passing the torch”.

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        I’m glad he dropped out, I feel like we actually have a shot in November. But with his endorsement of Kamala, which makes sense since she will face the fewest legal and logistical issues of any replacement, the Democrats have corrupted an incredibly important milestone if we do win. The first woman to be POTUS, the first woman of color to be POTUS, will have a tarnished legacy since she skipped the primary process (and skipped out in 2020 before any votes were even cast).

        That’s three incredibly ill-handled presidential primaries in a row. Do better, Democrats.