Depending on how the election works out in November, this is either going to be remembered as an honorable and strategic move or one of the biggest political blunders in history.
the Democrats have been cornered over the last 40 years. I think the only move is the bold move.
dems have got to show the country they can make and take hard choices and whatever process is used to select a nominee, make it as transparent and democratic as possible.
we are at the very last bulwark for a representative democratic government. light a fire under the citizenry and trust that our (possibly) last peaceful hope is the best hope. 2024/25 is gonna be rough.
It is absolutely insane that Trump told lie after lie after lie in that debate and no one gave a shit. But Biden stumbled over a few words, and somehow that makes him incompetent to be president. Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with American voters?
Trump isn’t held to any standard. That’s the thing. No one has any great expectations of Trump. His campaign should have been over when he mocked a reporter’s disability, but it wasn’t.
That’s just it. Democrats are expected to be perfect; if the cons fuck up, lie, commit crime, even attempt a coup, it gets a collective shrug and a “boys will be boys” kind of attitude, even if it’s girls like Empty G.
As others have said, Trump did what we expected him to do: lie. We expected/hoped Biden to quell the critics, and he did the opposite of it.
But make no mistake about it, plenty of people pointed out that Trump lied during the debate. The problem is that his cultists think that if he says it, it’s true, or complaining that his lies aren’t that big so it’s not a big deal. Truth and honesty doesn’t matter to them anymore. Although, I feel like truth mattering to people is dying across the board.
Trump lies? Why didn’t anyone say something about that???
/s
I don’t think many people will vote Trump over Biden based on the debate. But I can understand everyone that won’t vote Biden (thus not vote at all) based on that debate.
That’s the dumb narrative. It’s clear that if donnie even ever had any brain cells, he’s in decline. But yeah, BidenSoOld and he did freeze up, so all the lies, fascist intent, and incoherency on donnie’s side is ignored by the bothsiderist “liberal media”.
Yeah. Tbh I dislike Harris 10x more than Biden but I know she’ll actually be able to stand up to Trump at the next debate. There was never any amount of prep the Biden team could’ve given to Joe that would’ve helped him in September. It’s for the best, but things just got a lot less predictable now.
Have you not been paying attention? Every time Biden goes up to speak, he makes a fool of himself. At the debate he was mumbling and staring blankly into space with his mouth open. He then did an interview afterwards to try and calm the mood that only make it worse. Then he showed up to the NATO summit and introduced Zelensky as Vladmir Putin. He called Trump the vice president.
All in the course of a couple of weeks. Biden simply isn’t all there. His polling numbers were on a downward trend and the key problem is that concerns about his age and mental capacity can only get worse with time. It will never get better.
There was no other option but to change Biden. Everybody knew this after the debate. I think it took so long for him to drop out because they didn’t know who to replace him with. Kamala isn’t pilling any better and in some places worse.
But it seems the DNC has done their research and figured Kamala is the best chance they’re gonna get. Which I think is a grim omen for the near future.
Biden had no choice but to withdraw - the polling suggest he was going to lose to Trump. The problem is a) the VP is largely been abscent so hasn’t really been able to develop a strong profile and b) the VP is Kamala Harris. The problem the Democrats face is not having a candidate that galvanises the same level of support as Trump. There is simply a dearth of credible candidates. Personally, I would encourage Mitt Romney to defect to the Democrats and get him stand or Jimmy Carter.
Biden was most likely going to lose, let’s just be honest about that. He might have squeaked out a popular win, but lose the EC (and given our stupid system, that’s the only thing that matters).
Nah, Biden had a chance. They fucked it up by mismanaging his image, then even allowing the debate at all, and the last nail was ironically filled by the failed Trump assassination attempt. There were a lot of little things besides these, though in the last about eight months these are the big three imho.
Depending on how the election works out in November, this is either going to be remembered as an honorable and strategic move or one of the biggest political blunders in history.
the Democrats have been cornered over the last 40 years. I think the only move is the bold move.
dems have got to show the country they can make and take hard choices and whatever process is used to select a nominee, make it as transparent and democratic as possible.
we are at the very last bulwark for a representative democratic government. light a fire under the citizenry and trust that our (possibly) last peaceful hope is the best hope. 2024/25 is gonna be rough.
It won’t be remembered as a blunder, because there was no circumstance where Biden would have won in November. Not after that debate.
It is absolutely insane that Trump told lie after lie after lie in that debate and no one gave a shit. But Biden stumbled over a few words, and somehow that makes him incompetent to be president. Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with American voters?
Trump isn’t held to any standard. That’s the thing. No one has any great expectations of Trump. His campaign should have been over when he mocked a reporter’s disability, but it wasn’t.
That’s just it. Democrats are expected to be perfect; if the cons fuck up, lie, commit crime, even attempt a coup, it gets a collective shrug and a “boys will be boys” kind of attitude, even if it’s girls like Empty G.
As others have said, Trump did what we expected him to do: lie. We expected/hoped Biden to quell the critics, and he did the opposite of it.
But make no mistake about it, plenty of people pointed out that Trump lied during the debate. The problem is that his cultists think that if he says it, it’s true, or complaining that his lies aren’t that big so it’s not a big deal. Truth and honesty doesn’t matter to them anymore. Although, I feel like truth mattering to people is dying across the board.
Trump lies? Why didn’t anyone say something about that??? /s I don’t think many people will vote Trump over Biden based on the debate. But I can understand everyone that won’t vote Biden (thus not vote at all) based on that debate.
That’s on people on the left more than anything. The terminally online left read while terminally online right write.
That’s the dumb narrative. It’s clear that if donnie even ever had any brain cells, he’s in decline. But yeah, BidenSoOld and he did freeze up, so all the lies, fascist intent, and incoherency on donnie’s side is ignored by the bothsiderist “liberal media”.
Looking good is more important than being good.
It’s the American way.
Yeah. Tbh I dislike Harris 10x more than Biden but I know she’ll actually be able to stand up to Trump at the next debate. There was never any amount of prep the Biden team could’ve given to Joe that would’ve helped him in September. It’s for the best, but things just got a lot less predictable now.
Same. I’m not a big fan of Kamala.
Why?
Because she’s not a sickly octogenarian and spent decades tearing apart dumb assholes and their arguments in front of crowds?
I assume they meant the disliking him part.
She will say nasty things, then afterwards say she didn’t mean it ‘it was a debate’ - performative politics
Boy look at this guy with a crystal ball.
Give me the lotto numbers next.
Isn’t it more accurate for him to give you a number that wouldn’t win?
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Have you not been paying attention? Every time Biden goes up to speak, he makes a fool of himself. At the debate he was mumbling and staring blankly into space with his mouth open. He then did an interview afterwards to try and calm the mood that only make it worse. Then he showed up to the NATO summit and introduced Zelensky as Vladmir Putin. He called Trump the vice president.
All in the course of a couple of weeks. Biden simply isn’t all there. His polling numbers were on a downward trend and the key problem is that concerns about his age and mental capacity can only get worse with time. It will never get better.
There was no other option but to change Biden. Everybody knew this after the debate. I think it took so long for him to drop out because they didn’t know who to replace him with. Kamala isn’t pilling any better and in some places worse.
But it seems the DNC has done their research and figured Kamala is the best chance they’re gonna get. Which I think is a grim omen for the near future.
What the hell, I’ve never heard about the NATO summit thing
Here’s a link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG-xrqaq3zw
Biden had no choice but to withdraw - the polling suggest he was going to lose to Trump. The problem is a) the VP is largely been abscent so hasn’t really been able to develop a strong profile and b) the VP is Kamala Harris. The problem the Democrats face is not having a candidate that galvanises the same level of support as Trump. There is simply a dearth of credible candidates. Personally, I would encourage Mitt Romney to defect to the Democrats and get him stand or Jimmy Carter.
The Democrats best chance at winning this election is not a lifelong conservative Republican.
I was being facetious.
Biden was most likely going to lose, let’s just be honest about that. He might have squeaked out a popular win, but lose the EC (and given our stupid system, that’s the only thing that matters).
Biden was 100% going to lose. Kamala is probably going to lose, but at least there’s a chance.
There was no other move here. Democrats put themselves in Zugzwang by Biden seeking re-election in the first place.
Nah, Biden had a chance. They fucked it up by mismanaging his image, then even allowing the debate at all, and the last nail was ironically filled by the failed Trump assassination attempt. There were a lot of little things besides these, though in the last about eight months these are the big three imho.
How do you manage the image of a president that can’t speak?
That’s not really fair, as polls were showing Biden was not a shoe in, not even close.