• SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works
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      Electoralism doesn’t work if you approach it as the end be all of all political battlefields. If you consider it one battlefield of many, from which you won’t get total victory, but from which you can get substantial stuff, it’s useful.

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      They should have, but it probably wouldn’t make a difference. The superdelegates controlled the nomination.

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        Not in 2020, the DNC changed the rules after 2016 so they don’t get a vote unless no one wins on the first ballot, and Biden won on the first ballot. Biden straight up just got more votes than Bernie in 2020

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          Hillary straight-up got more votes than Bernie in 2016 as well. To my (and in retrospect, the entire nation’s) regret.

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      I was so distraught and in denial about Bernie not getting the nomination that I wrote him in. Sorry I think I helped Trump by doing that.

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        Nah, man, I don’t think any of us really were expecting the result we got. I protest voted for fuckin’ Johnson of all people in the 2016 General because I was certain that my vote wouldn’t mean jack. I mean, I was in a safe blue state, so it didn’t, but God, the feeling in my gut watching the results come in, knowing that my fellow American citizens were fucking vile enough to elect Donald fucking Trump, and that I hadn’t even cast a vote in (meaningful) opposition? To at least add a little more voice to the ridiculousness that was the electoral college overriding the vote of the people? It hit hard.

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          Except we never elected him. The EC did. He lost the popular vote by several million votes with relatively low turnout, despite damn near record turnout.

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            Enough people voted for him that the EC was a concern to begin with, let’s put it that way.

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    The real problem wasn’t an unjust primary, it was imbalanced media coverage and support prior to the primary. Debbie Wasserman Schultz wanted Hillary to win the nomination, and skewed media coverage in her favor. She stepped down after accusations, but only after the damage was done.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/23/us/politics/dnc-emails-sanders-clinton.html

    Although there is a silver lining in getting 12+ years of Senator Bernie vs. the maximum 8 years of President Bernie.

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      It wasn’t just Debbie, she just took the fall, it was the democratic party doing what’s best for the democratic party. Bernie wanted to tear down Super PACs, better to lose than to let him win and ruin that money. I think we forget that even when one side is likely to be drastically better for us, that doesn’t mean that either side is always necessarily good.

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        I think more democracy is better. Which post 2016 the Democrats did make the primary more democratic. Sanders still lost fair and square both times. Even in 2016 Sanders didn’t face anything substantially different than Obama did in 2008. By rights the Democrat party doesn’t have to let anyone run as a Democrat either. If they feared him they didn’t have to let him run. Hell, till the 1970s they didn’t even hold primaries as we recognize them. So your claims don’t really make sense.