• dragontamer@lemmy.world
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    And who gives a fuck about the weapon used. That does not excuse their lack of action.

    Pistols don’t beat AR15 rifles. If the opponent outguns you, you need to wait for backup and bigger guns. Basic tactics.

    And if everyone is using big guns during a hostage situation, the “Good Guys” have a huge disadvantage due to the penetrative effects of powerful guns. Good Guys don’t want to kill children with missed (or even hit) shots. A headshot vs the shooter would not only penetrate the shooter’s skull, but also the wall behind the shooter. A wall that you’re not sure if the children or the teachers of the school were hiding behind yet.

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      Pistols don’t beat AR15 rifles. If the opponent outguns you, you need to wait for backup and bigger guns.

      Why is that? Does the AR15 generate a forcefield around the person wielding it making the shooter immune to any “lesser” weapons? Catching a bullet from a pistol will kill you just the same and this shooter was severely outnumbered. What police lacked was the guts to actually put their lives on the line to protect these children, even though they love to talk about how they put their lives on the line every day as they arrest people for weed or hand out tickets for going 5MPH over the speed limit.

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        The police know it is a machine gun, the police know that many bullets can be fired in a very short period of time. They know the bullets kill. Ban guns. If you want to hunt, use a bow, or don’t hunt.

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        Does the AR15 generate a forcefield around the person wielding it making the shooter immune to any “lesser” weapons?

        Yes. Its called effective firing range.

        A typical pistol (ex M1911) has an effective range of 50m and only when you’ve got very good practice. A typical AR15 has an effective range of 550 meters (11x the range).

        The effective range is a measurement of the accuracy of the shot. In effect, if you have an AR15 at 100 meters, you’ve got better accuracy than a cop at 10meters. (Effective firing range is mostly about accuracy and bullet placement. Rifles are much, much, much more accurate than pistols)

        Learn to tactics bro. Rifle range and accuracy is a real thing. You don’t fight enemies with rifles if you only got a pistol dude. Furthermore, you don’t spray-and-pray with inaccurate pistols when there’s lol hostages in the same room as the shooter.


        This isn’t a video game. This isn’t a comic book where “the main character” holding a damn pistol has more accuracy than enemy riflemen. This is real life.

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          You are talking about a school. Effective range doesn’t much matter past 25 meters. They are clearing rooms, not football stadiums.

          And there is precedent for shorter range weapons being more optimal. Knife vs gun for instance https://youtu.be/Upxfo_jBrDE

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          Yes. Its called effective firing range.

          The Uvalde school shooting occurred in a school.

          Not particularly long looking hallways.

          Besides the department had the choice to make the situation pistol vs rifle (to use your paradigm) instead they left it unarmed vs rifle.

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      Pistols don’t beat AR15 rifles. If the opponent outguns you, you need to wait for backup and bigger guns. Basic tactics.

      This doctrine has been out of standard practice for over two decades. In response to Columbine the new mass adopted doctrine is go towards the gun fire. This is information any officer who has joined in the past ~25 years would have been taught.

      https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/us/florida-school-shooting-columbine-lessons/index.html